Fritz Likely to Run In Circuit Court Race

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Just seven months after a landslide victory in his bid for a second term as St. Mary's County state's attorney, Richard D. Fritz says he may pursue another electoral prize up for grabs next year -- a Circuit Court judgeship.

"I'm leaning heavily toward entering the race," Fritz (R) said. "If I were a betting man, I would put money on it." :yikes:

Washington Post
 

Voter2002

"Fill your hands you SOB!
I wonder what old Ken Rossingnol will have to say about this?

Who cares! I, for one, think Mr. local National Enquirer had it coming to him...trying to throw an election at the last minute out of desperation by slinging 30 year-old mud! I am a staunch believer in 1st amendment rights, but sometimes it makes you want to stomp the sh** out of some people for the train wrecks they cause under the protection of "free speech."

The position Fritz is running for is currently filled by a political appointee. It should be up for election and may the best man/woman win!
 
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You have great points Voter! I just can't help getting a little concerned about Mr. Fritz being a judge. 30 years old or not.. Those were serious allegations. :frown:
 

Ken King

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Originally posted by Voter2002
Who cares! I, for one, think Mr. local National Enquirer had it coming to him...trying to throw an election at the last minute out of desperation by slinging 30 year-old mud! I am a staunch believer in 1st amendment rights, but sometimes it makes you want to stomp the sh** out of some people for the train wrecks they cause under the protection of "free speech."

The position Fritz is running for is currently filled by a political appointee. It should be up for election and may the best man/woman win!
Apparently you do, at least as much as Rossingnol does. Granted from a differing perspective.

I find it funny that a person charged with rape, that plead to a lesser charge, even made it to State's Attorney. And now he wants to be a judge, regardless of whether the incident was 30+ years ago. Funnier still is that his comments in the Post article say that he will give greater sentences than the Maryland Sentencing Guide. I guess he forgot about the compassion shown him in his youth that allowed him to become one of our leading citizens (NOT).

BTW judges are appointed in Maryland with an election confirming that choice and anyone authorized to practice law in Maryland can challenge them. Which is what Fritz will be doing, challenging the appointment. Will he win, who knows, I have seen other rapists make it fairly high in their careers, but I won't vote for him.
 
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Lord knows what that man would do. I just don't care about what the St. Mary's Today says anymore. No more stories about Wild Sex in the Ridge Firehouse would be a good thing though!
 

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I find it irritating when people call Fritz a "rapist". It was my understanding from the newspapers that it was statutory rape, not forcible rape. Yes, that woman came forward after some prodding by Rossignol and said it was forced, but that doesn't mean it was.

You, Ken King, of all people, should understand this. I thought you were the "innocent until proven guilty" guy?
 

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
I find it irritating when people call Fritz a "rapist". It was my understanding from the newspapers that it was statutory rape, not forcible rape. Yes, that woman came forward after some prodding by Rossignol and said it was forced, but that doesn't mean it was.

You, Ken King, of all people, should understand this. I thought you were the "innocent until proven guilty" guy?
He bargained and pled guilty to a lesser charge, this admission removes any credence to “innocent until proven guilty” as he could have had his day in court but thought it was better to deal it off then accept what the court might actually find and he confessed. If you remember I was exactly the same on another issue until someone admitted their wrongdoing in a televised confession.

Rape is rape, just as murder is murder, there might be varying levels of both but the title is still fitting.

Funny how you won't call a rapist a rapist but you will call that of someone who has not been charged for their sexual wrongdoing.
 
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Originally posted by vraiblonde
I find it irritating when people call Fritz a "rapist". It was my understanding from the newspapers that it was statutory rape, not forcible rape. Yes, that woman came forward after some prodding by Rossignol and said it was forced, but that doesn't mean it was.

You, Ken King, of all people, should understand this. I thought you were the "innocent until proven guilty" guy?

Wow! My recollection is that she was gang banged by Fritz and his posse. Five of them I think. Maybe I'm way off base but I remember the situation completely differently. :frown:
 
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vraiblonde

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Originally posted by Ken King
Funny how you won't call a rapist a rapist but you will call that of someone who has not been charged for their sexual wrongdoing.
I've probably got my "facts" of the case mixed up. From what I read, Fritz was charged with statutory rape and there was one other guy involved (no idea what happened to him). I wasn't aware that he did a plea bargain. I've still got the Fritz article from the Post around here somewhere. I'll have to re-read it.
 
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Found some facts

The election day issue of St. Mary's Today bore the front-page headline "Fritz Guilty of Rape" It accurately reported that in 1965, Fritz and three other men had pled guilty to carnal knowledge of a fifteen-year-old girl.

Fritz, who was eighteen at the time of the rape, was sentenced to probation and a suspended sentence of eighteen months in state prison.

Source
 
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Definitions

Originally posted by vraiblonde
That's still statutory - I want something that credibly states he forcibly raped her.

4 entries found for carnal knowledge. carnal knowledge n.

Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Sexual intercourse.

Carnal knowledge

1. Of or pertaining to the body or its appetites; animal; fleshly; sensual; given to sensual indulgence; lustful; human or worldly as opposed to spiritual.

2. Flesh-devouring; cruel; ravenous; bloody. [Obs.]

This carnal cur Preys on the issue of his mother's body. --Shak.

Carnal knowledge, sexual intercourse; -- used especially of an unlawful act on the part of the man.


I don't have all of the details yet but I promise to get them. I think you may have a misconception of the term Carnal Knowledge.
 
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Well I guess I better bone up *no pun intended* on my Carnal Knowledege definitions. :biggrin:
 

Ken King

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Webster’s definitions:

Rape - sexual intercourse with a woman by a man without her consent and chiefly by force or deception .

Statutory rape - sexual intercourse with a person who is below the statutory age of consent.


Maryland Law:

§ 3-303. Rape in the first degree.

(a) Prohibited.- A person may not:

(1) engage in vaginal intercourse with another by force, or the threat of force, or without the consent of the other; and

(2) (i) employ or display a dangerous weapon, or a physical object that the victim reasonably believes is a dangerous weapon;

(ii) suffocate, strangle, disfigure, or inflict serious physical injury on the victim or another in the course of committing the crime;

(iii) threaten, or place the victim in fear, that the victim, or an individual known to the victim, imminently will be subject to death, suffocation, strangulation, disfigurement, serious physical injury, or kidnapping;

(iv) commit the crime while aided and abetted by another; or

(v) commit the crime in connection with a burglary in the first, second, or third degree.


My argument is that if, as it was claimed, the woman (girl at the time) did not consent (if under legal age she would not be able to consent) and there were multiple players then this is a first degree rape. Why do you think he plead guilty to having carnal knowledge with a 15 year old girl? Think the chances are that they wouldn't have been believed before a court or jury and they didn't want to take a chance on up to life in jail?
 

vraiblonde

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I'm not disputing that he had sex with that girl. I'm just skeptical as to whether it was some loose girl riding a train or the guys actually forced her.

I knew a girl in high school who would participate in gangbangs with UNL guys. Technically, it was rape, but the girl was a willing participant. A 15 year old with an 18 year old doesn't disturb me unless it was forced.
 

Ken King

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Granted she might have been “loose”, she might have wanted it, only a select few know that for sure, but wouldn’t you take that to court rather then make a deal if it was true? Also you keep harping on forcibly raped, to me "forcibly" means without consent. If she said "No" at any point then she was forced, again only a select few know the truth and we know who thought they couldn’t convince a court.
 

Crabby Blue

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LOL............Fritz a Judge!!!!!

You all are nutz...........I had to deal
directly with this dude years and
years ago.......Rossignol is not an
angel either.......check out his past,
I believe he had a DUI or two!....I am
not totally sure, but prove me wrong.

Back to Fritz.........he's a charmer and
full of BS, he has gotten this far by
being a Good Ole' Boy, I know more
than most.........shifty would be a
perfect description......and yeah, he
was involved in a gang rape of a minor
....this is in the St. Mary's Today Archives,
I did not alter any of it.........this is your
future Judge.................don't blame me,
I see what I see......I don't think this
interview is both of them together, just Carla
responding to Fritz's quotes from a previous
interview.........make your own mind up.


Woman Says She Was Forcibly Raped
By State's Attorney, 2 Others

The following is an interview with Carla Henning Bailey which was first published June 29, 1999

Bailey told ST. MARY’S TODAY that she wanted to go "one-on-one" with Richard Fritz to answer his public statements that what occurred in November of 1964 at a house on St. George’s Island with her, Fritz and two other young men was a case of consensual sex, while she contends she was forcibly raped.

Bailey first disclosed her story in April, charging that she had been raped, saying that she wanted to be identified as the victim, pointing out that she had done nothing wrong or had done anything to be ashamed of. Bailey says that she wants to be able to tell what really happened as she is furious that Fritz is painting her to be tramp.

Bailey listened to an tape of a radio broadcast interview of Fritz which took place the day after last fall’s local election in which Fritz won the contest for St. Mary’s State’s Attorney. She also read a Washington Post article about the incident.

Fritz was asked on the broadcast about the ST. MARY’S TODAY election day news article which disclosed that Fritz had pleaded guilty and been convicted of a sexual assault on a 15-year-old girl and been sentenced to 18 months in prison, which was then reduced to supervised probation. Two other young men were also sentenced by the court who were involved in the sexual assault at the same time.

Fritz’s supporters, most of whom were St. Mary’s Sheriff’s deputies, went out on election eve and in the early morning hours before the polls opened on election day and swept the news stands clear of all available copies of the newspaper.

A WMDM interviewer asked Fritz a series of questions in a live interview. Questions were posed to Bailey last week after she heard Fritz for the first time, in the radio interview.

Bailey was then asked questions about Fritz’s statements on the broadcast and the article in the Post.

RICHARD FRITZ: "When a person goes out and blatantly lies it really bothers me."

ST. MARY’S TODAY : Fritz has called the ST. MARY’S TODAY reporting of him and two others raping you, as you have stated, a lie, calling it in a radio interview, "a blatant lie". How do you feel about his statement?

CARLA BAILEY: "No, that is not so, it is not a lie," said Bailey.

RICHARD FRITZ: "Obviously hormones were running full blast, I had a relationship with a girl that was one month from legal age."

CARLA BAILEY: "We never had any relationship, it was rape, until then I only knew him from around the school and the neighborhood and I went to his house with my friend Liz who dated him and twice I went over to his house with her, but we never had anything of a relationship, we lived in the same area, not far from each other in the small houses at Piney Point across from the Seafarer’s School.

He was a good looking guy but Liz liked him, she had his ring for two weeks. It wasn’t any relationship between us, it was a rape, and it wasn’t just Fritz, it was two others, they also did it. I begged and pleaded with them to stop, finally it was over.

When I called my mother and told her you were interviewing me, my mother said that if my father were alive, he would be right down there in that county and buying that paper, he would be glad to see that something was finally going to happen to them."

Fritz was asked on the radio show to characterize what really took place.

FRITZ: "The nature of the charge was one count of carnal knowledge, where a person of 18 had sex with a person under the age of 16, it is not a dark diabolical crime, it is a crime against age. Maryland is one of the only states where mistake of age is not a defense, if the act occurred, period, it is a violation of the law, one cannot come in and say my Lord, the girl told me she was 18 and I believed it."

FRITZ: "I was 18, I did what came natural when I was 18, I was probably myself a virgin or close to being a virgin at the time, Rossignol says this was a gang situation, it wasn’t, but I’ll tell you this, there were several other persons out there who got themselves in trouble with the same thing, they were doing what comes natural to them too.

It would lead the public into the impression that it was a forceful act, which was a complete baloney.

If that same act was to occur today between a young man who is 18 and 15, it is not a violation of the law anymore."

CARLA: "It was forcible, it was a gang rape. He tried to make it sound like it was three separate times, not the same time.

I feel better that it is out, I feel that people should know, I know who is telling the truth, if he would have said the words that he was sorry in the first place and if he had told the truth it would never have come out, he is still lying about it, now in the Washington Post article, now he is getting other people involved, in referring to my parents. I don’t think it was my parents that called the police and got them involved, it was either the school or the hospital, because I hadn’t told my parents, Mr. Duke called my parents up the next day at school and my mother took me to the Naval Air Station hospital.

If he would have said it in the first place now, at the election, like he did when he was 18 years old and he plead guilty at the time, why can’t he just speak the truth now."

RICHARD FRITZ: "There was obviously a conspiracy between Mr. Rossignol and my opponent to come out, to do this, to blast it, to mislead the public, to totally mislead the public and to make me look like, uh, my God, I was Jack the Ripper or something, solely for the purposes of deceiving the public."

ST. MARY’S TODAY: What would Jack the Ripper do different to you than what you say they did?

CARLA BAILEY: "Kill me.

I am 5’ 1" and about 105 pounds and give or take a couple of pounds I am the same size as at that age of 15.

One of them was in his 20’s, Fritz was 18 and the other was 17, that one was a big kid who played football and Fritz is big next to me, about 5’10 and I remember the older one as being fat.

Fritz didn’t think this was ever going to come back on him or that I was going to come out and tell the truth, he thought he was going to get away with it, the girl and her brother who were there weren’t going to talk about it, with me being out of town, he felt like it wasn’t going to come out.

I don’t know Jack the Ripper, I knew these people and I didn’t expect to be raped by them.

"He continues to paint me as a tramp"

--- Carla Henning Bailey

I ended up contacting the newspaper and told my story and nothing has been heard of him since.

Neither ST. MARY’S TODAY or the Washington Post changed any words in my story, both got my story right.

ST. MARY’S TODAY: " Do you think Richard Fritz should be State’s Attorney?"

CARLA BAILEY: "I really don’t think he should have the position, I didn’t think he should have the position when he became an attorney. He is not telling people the truth when he says on the tape that it was three different times, that’s what the tape sounds like to me, he continues to paint me as a tramp. It wasn’t consent, I screamed, I was trying to get away and I couldn’t because one was holding my ankles and one was holding my arms.""

ST. MARY’S TODAY: "This hasn’t healed with time, do you know why?"

CARLA BAILEY: "I don’t know why it isn’t, it was one big scar to me, its like when you fall down and get a scrape on your knee and it heels and you get a scar and it reminds of the pain over again, it opened the wound when I heard he was calling this consensual sex."
 
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