Md. gives licenses to illegals ?

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
Yep. It's all about the votes. Candidates could care less about what immigration does to this country because they live in protected areas and they have money. I'd love to make them live in "project" or slum housing for a year and see how they feel about it then. I'm wasting my time on this. All we do is elect them and they do whatever they want after that. We've seen how even Bush tried to give away our ports to the arabs.
 
why doesnt he just take the steps to become a US citizen? I just don't understand all this "illegial alien" uproar its not as if we don't all ready have laws and procedures to become a "legal citizen"

Thats great he wants to get an education, but first become a citizen!
 
I must be missing something here with the whole debate...

Isn't the keyword "Illegal" - as in they are NOT suppose to be here?

Why is it even being debated? I mean, it is "illegal" to rob a store right? If we did so, we would be put in jail...

I always thought if someone was identified as an "Illegal" Alien - they would be deported. :shrug:
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
I must be missing something here with the whole debate...
Isn't the keyword "Illegal" - as in they are NOT suppose to be here?
Why is it even being debated? I mean, it is "illegal" to rob a store right? If we did so, we would be put in jail...
I always thought if someone was identified as an "Illegal" Alien - they would be deported. :shrug:
They have become a big part of the politics of having a big part of the population dependant on government largess. They will vote for the politicians that will give them housing, food, medical care, education, etc. We're no longer the land of opportunity, but the land of handouts.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
:howdy: to those above
Each of you states a part of the problem. What's sad is that I thnk everyone of you used the word "illegal" or "undocumented" to describe the process in which they entered the country. It's sad because in most debates that word is no longer used, it is no longer considered politically correct to refer to someone as an illegal (alien or immigrant). I guess we are suppose to say they entered the country through alternative methods.
It's been pointed out that both political parties have sold out our security because of power and money. On one side you have the agro-business which enjoys cheap labor. On the other side the socialists who see a large pool of votes ripe for the harvesting.
And yes, the Motor Voter laws almost insure that non-citizens now can vote in elections.
In answer to the person who asked why they don't apply for citizenship, maybe the don't want to become citizens of the USofA.
 
P

Patch Tuesday

Guest
:howdy: to those above
Each of you states a part of the problem. What's sad is that I thnk everyone of you used the word "illegal" or "undocumented" to describe the process in which they entered the country. It's sad because in most debates that word is no longer used, it is no longer considered politically correct to refer to someone as an illegal (alien or immigrant). I guess we are suppose to say they entered the country through alternative methods.
It's been pointed out that both political parties have sold out our security because of power and money. On one side you have the agro-business which enjoys cheap labor. On the other side the socialists who see a large pool of votes ripe for the harvesting.
And yes, the Motor Voter laws almost insure that non-citizens now can vote in elections.
In answer to the person who asked why they don't apply for citizenship, maybe the don't want to become citizens of the USofA.

I only use the word "illegal" because I can't get away with saying ####$ %@#$ $##$ #@# in public or on here...

:popcorn:
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
How so, as to motor voter laws, when the proof of identification requirements to vote include "must be a US citizen? If you check the MVA site the documentation required to get a license is clearly listed. For one to be elligible to regester to vote then they must have all necessary documents as listed here - Sources of Proof .

If they are a foriegn/out-of-country applicant applying for a license then they must either have certain required documents or appear in person for an interview as per here - Foreign / Out-of-Country Applicants .

What is unclear to me is does their license look different than that of a legal residents, it should for ease of identifying them as non-citizens.
 

chernmax

NOT Politically Correct!!
I'll gladly do a 5 for 1 trade for people that will come to this country and work verse the people who already live here and won't!!!
 
P

Patch Tuesday

Guest
How so, as to motor voter laws, when the proof of identification requirements to vote include "must be a US citizen? If you check the MVA site the documentation required to get a license is clearly listed. For one to be elligible to regester to vote then they must have all necessary documents as listed here - Sources of Proof .

If they are a foriegn/out-of-country applicant applying for a license then they must either have certain required documents or appear in person for an interview as per here - Foreign / Out-of-Country Applicants .

What is unclear to me is does their license look different than that of a legal residents, it should for ease of identifying them as non-citizens.

You might want to look at this one closer:

C. A document or documents with the applicant's full name and signature if digital image is on file with the MD MVA and is retrievable for identification purposes; PLUS

D. Two proofs of Maryland residence.

They've been tightening this stuff up because of the Real ID act and all the heat they've been getting, but nobody's talking about the 250,000 illegals that were already running around in Md before the changes. Many of which already have drivers licenses from the lax period...

General Requirements of the Help America Vote Act

"As of January 1, 2006, the Help America Vote Act requires that an individual applying to register to vote must provide his or her driver's license number on the voter registration application. If the applicant does not have a driver's license number, he or she must provide at least the last four digits of his or her social security number on the application. If the applicant has neither a driver's license nor a social security number, the applicant must indicate this on the application, and an election official will assign the individual a unique identifying number."

:whistle:
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
You might want to look at this one closer:

C. A document or documents with the applicant's full name and signature if digital image is on file with the MD MVA and is retrievable for identification purposes; PLUS

D. Two proofs of Maryland residence.

They've been tightening this stuff up because of the Real ID act and all the heat they've been getting, but nobody's talking about the 250,000 illegals that were already running around in Md before the changes. Many of which already have drivers licenses from the lax period...

General Requirements of the Help America Vote Act

"As of January 1, 2006, the Help America Vote Act requires that an individual applying to register to vote must provide his or her driver's license number on the voter registration application. If the applicant does not have a driver's license number, he or she must provide at least the last four digits of his or her social security number on the application. If the applicant has neither a driver's license nor a social security number, the applicant must indicate this on the application, and an election official will assign the individual a unique identifying number."

:whistle:
Yep and if matched to the digital information that they are not a citizen then no voter registration card will be issued. And if they have illegal documents that can get by the folk at the MVA you couldn't stop them anyhow.

Now does the system have some holes, seems to be, but what else can be done?
 
P

Patch Tuesday

Guest
Yep and if matched to the digital information that they are not a citizen then no voter registration card will be issued. And if they have illegal documents that can get by the folk at the MVA you couldn't stop them anyhow.

Now does the system have some holes, seems to be, but what else can be done?

What digital information? Two years ago they walked in there with a cable bill and said I live here, and were issued a license...

:nono:
 
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Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
What digital information? Two years ago they walked in there with a cable bill and said I live here, and where issued a license...

:nono:
Those before the changes are an issue, but how do you retrieve them, and the signiture from a license a couple of years ago will be on file in digital format. Remember signing the little screen and the signature being injected onto the card?
 
My renewal I did through the mail - picture and signature was the same when it came in the mail - just a exp date change.

all of it stored digitally!
 

calamity jane

New Member
Maryland had a sort of "don't ask, don't tell" working policy for documents required from immigrants to obtain a license or ID card while I worked there (1995-2000). Sometimes the number of customers who were not born in the U.S. would make up about 1/3 of the days total.
There was only 1 employee supposedly trained to examine foreign documents and authorized to sign off (approve) them. How many fake social security cards and green cards and questionable proofs of residence got through every day was wholly dependent on that one person. We've all been to the MVA, I'll let you make out of that what you will. The branches were extremely busy on Sat.s, with the line to get in wrapped around the building twice sometimes. They had to be let in in groups of 20. Most of the customers on Saturdays were not born in the U.S. Everyone was run through as fast as possible with only a very minimal glance at documents presented. People who might have questionable proofs of ID and residency all knew to come on Sat. Besides, had they been questioned, management seemed to have an "approve them all" policy.
My point in this is that many, many people got licenses and IDs which resulted in a digital image and would never be questioned again.
Maryland was easy then, and it's easy now.
One other thing I wonder about is how and when did Md. become a sanctuary state?
 
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