Homosexual suing God?

foodcritic

New Member
Here is a scary story from the heartland......:howdy:



Gay 'Marriage' and Soft Despotism by Chuck Colson
July 22, 2008

In Michigan, a homosexual man is suing two Christian publishers—Zondervan and Tyndale House—for $70 million dollars. Bradley Fowler claims they violated his constitutional rights and caused him "emotional distress" by publishing versions of the Bible that call homosexuality a sin. In my view, Fowler is suing the wrong party, but perhaps he realizes he is likely to have difficulty hauling the real author into court.

While the lawsuit may strike us as funny, we ought to take such attacks on Christian teaching seriously: We are going to see many more of them if same-sex "marriage" is foisted upon us by the courts.

As Seana Sugrue explains in The Meaning of Marriage, edited by Robert George and Jean Bethke Elshtain, marriage is a pre-political institution, rooted in biology and moral obligations. Sugrue writes, "The reality of sex differences between men and women, leading to the potential for offspring, is essential to the pre-political foundation of marriage."

But marriage as a political form of social order, independent of the state, "is precisely what advocates of same-sex 'marriage' seek to change," according to Sugrue. "Marriage rooted in procreation and sexual differences is to be replaced by marriage for the gratification of two consenting adults."

But unlike traditional marriage, "same-sex 'marriage' requires a condition of soft despotism to exist," Sugrue warns.

"In claiming for homosexuals the right to marry," she reasons, the "state also claims for itself the ability to declare what constitutes marriage . . . It transforms marriage from a pre-political obligation into its own creation."

But as an artificial creation of the state, same-sex "marriage" is "an institution that needs to be coddled . . . Its very fragility demands a culture in which it is protected." This means, as Sugrue argues, that "once marriage becomes a statist institution for the sake of consenting adults, the state will increasingly be called upon to create the social conditions to protect these unions."

The need for coddling means the state will use public education for this end, and align itself against churches that refuse to recognize same-sex "marriage."

So, the state has to use its power against two of society's civil institutions: the family and the church.

Sugrue is right: We are already seeing the courts go after institutions and people who refuse to recognize the legitimacy of same-sex "marriage" where it is imposed. State-ordered gay "marriage" is an attack, not only on legitimate marriage, but upon religious freedom and the freedom not to have one's children indoctrinated into alien ideas about marriage.

You need to understand the reasoning here so that we can present this argument in a winsome way to our neighbors. And we better be supporting efforts to pass constitutional amendments and laws defining marriage as one man and one woman; the issue is up in Florida, Arizona, and California this year. We also need to find out what the presidential candidates want to do, because they will be choosing the next Supreme Court justices who will ultimately decide this issue.

If we do not act, lawsuits against Bible publishers will no longer be a joke, but a despotic reality.
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
Saw that last week.

One of the plaintiffs, Zondervan, claims that - they - as publishers of different versions of the Bible, do not issue, or write, or re- write literal interpretations of the Bible.

Todays authors, people with a different take on what was intended, or meant in those texts are responsible for that.

So, how can they(Zondervan) be held responsible?
 

outlawrc

Member
Here is a scary story from the heartland......:howdy:



Gay 'Marriage' and Soft Despotism by Chuck Colson
July 22, 2008

In Michigan, a homosexual man is suing two Christian publishers—Zondervan and Tyndale House—for $70 million dollars. Bradley Fowler claims they violated his constitutional rights and caused him "emotional distress" by publishing versions of the Bible that call homosexuality a sin. In my view, Fowler is suing the wrong party, but perhaps he realizes he is likely to have difficulty hauling the real author into court.

While the lawsuit may strike us as funny, we ought to take such attacks on Christian teaching seriously: We are going to see many more of them if same-sex "marriage" is foisted upon us by the courts.

As Seana Sugrue explains in The Meaning of Marriage, edited by Robert George and Jean Bethke Elshtain, marriage is a pre-political institution, rooted in biology and moral obligations. Sugrue writes, "The reality of sex differences between men and women, leading to the potential for offspring, is essential to the pre-political foundation of marriage."

But marriage as a political form of social order, independent of the state, "is precisely what advocates of same-sex 'marriage' seek to change," according to Sugrue. "Marriage rooted in procreation and sexual differences is to be replaced by marriage for the gratification of two consenting adults."

But unlike traditional marriage, "same-sex 'marriage' requires a condition of soft despotism to exist," Sugrue warns.

"In claiming for homosexuals the right to marry," she reasons, the "state also claims for itself the ability to declare what constitutes marriage . . . It transforms marriage from a pre-political obligation into its own creation."

But as an artificial creation of the state, same-sex "marriage" is "an institution that needs to be coddled . . . Its very fragility demands a culture in which it is protected." This means, as Sugrue argues, that "once marriage becomes a statist institution for the sake of consenting adults, the state will increasingly be called upon to create the social conditions to protect these unions."

The need for coddling means the state will use public education for this end, and align itself against churches that refuse to recognize same-sex "marriage."

So, the state has to use its power against two of society's civil institutions: the family and the church.

Sugrue is right: We are already seeing the courts go after institutions and people who refuse to recognize the legitimacy of same-sex "marriage" where it is imposed. State-ordered gay "marriage" is an attack, not only on legitimate marriage, but upon religious freedom and the freedom not to have one's children indoctrinated into alien ideas about marriage.

You need to understand the reasoning here so that we can present this argument in a winsome way to our neighbors. And we better be supporting efforts to pass constitutional amendments and laws defining marriage as one man and one woman; the issue is up in Florida, Arizona, and California this year. We also need to find out what the presidential candidates want to do, because they will be choosing the next Supreme Court justices who will ultimately decide this issue.

If we do not act, lawsuits against Bible publishers will no longer be a joke, but a despotic reality.
This is crazy, and against everything biblical and biological. Any court that entertains this suit (sp) is out of line. The term same sex should never end with the word marriage. When people choose the life of homosexuality, they should except the consiquences that go with it knowing that in a biological way, if no other way, it would be imposible for the human race to continue if all humans chose this way of life. They should also accept the fact that they won't be able to breed as well, It just don't work that way. People make choices but, then expect the world to change to suit them. Let's just say that someone was to be convicted of beating down some homosexuals and goes to prison, well by doing so, they give up some of their rights. same, same. I apologize for ranting and being politically incorrect.
 

Xaquin44

New Member
This is crazy, and against everything biblical and biological. Any court that entertains this suit (sp) is out of line. The term same sex should never end with the word marriage. When people choose the life of homosexuality, they should except the consiquences that go with it knowing that in a biological way, if no other way, it would be imposible for the human race to continue if all humans chose this way of life. They should also accept the fact that they won't be able to breed as well, It just don't work that way. People make choices but, then expect the world to change to suit them. Let's just say that someone was to be convicted of beating down some homosexuals and goes to prison, well by doing so, they give up some of their rights. same, same. I apologize for ranting and being politically incorrect.

when did you choose to be straight? when could it have gone either way and you choose hetero?
 

Lenny

Lovin' being Texican
when did you choose to be straight? when could it have gone either way and you choose hetero?


Actually, one doesn't choose to be hetero. That's the normal course of maturation. One must choose to leave the natural course and go queer.
 

Xaquin44

New Member
Actually, one doesn't choose to be hetero. That's the normal course of maturation. One must choose to leave the natural course and go queer.

oh, so you could at any time choose to find men attractive?

interesting.
 

Lenny

Lovin' being Texican
oh, so you could at any time choose to find men attractive?

interesting.


Ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Tell him, Alex, what he's won.

Well, Johnny, he has won an all-expenses paid weekend in a deluxe condominium at Rehoboth Beach!
 

Xaquin44

New Member
you may be a closet case .... I know I could never just choose to find a man attractive .... it's just not in my genes.

good luck working it all out though =)
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
This is crazy, and against everything biblical and biological. Any court that entertains this suit (sp) is out of line. The term same sex should never end with the word marriage. When people choose the life of homosexuality, they should except the consiquences that go with it knowing that in a biological way, if no other way, it would be imposible for the human race to continue if all humans chose this way of life. They should also accept the fact that they won't be able to breed as well, It just don't work that way. People make choices but, then expect the world to change to suit them. Let's just say that someone was to be convicted of beating down some homosexuals and goes to prison, well by doing so, they give up some of their rights. same, same. I apologize for ranting and being politically incorrect.

Let me see if I've got this straight (no word-play intended): you think the court should have refused to hear this case because it's not biblical?

You do realize we don't live in a theocracy, don't you? That we don't live under sharia law?

I agree that the whole thing is silly, and a collossal waste of time, money, and energy. He's got as much right to be an idiot as anyone else in this country.

You know what's ironic? The earth's population is nearing capacity at around 6 Billion or so people, and you're worried about the human race not being able to propagate itself, on account of somewhere less than ten percent of the population is gay. As though gays are incapable of propagating through more traditional means.
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
Here is a scary story from the heartland......:howdy:



Gay 'Marriage' and Soft Despotism by Chuck Colson
July 22, 2008

Nice of you to provide a link. What fundie nutball magazine did you get this out of, anyway?
 

puggymom

Active Member
I agree that the whole thing is silly, and a collossal waste of time, money, and energy. He's got as much right to be an idiot as anyone else in this country.

You know what's ironic? The earth's population is nearing capacity at around 6 Billion or so people, and you're worried about the human race not being able to propagate itself, on account of somewhere less than ten percent of the population is gay. As though gays are incapable of propagating through more traditional means.

:yeahthat:

I agree the case is silly but on the grounds if we went around suing any publisher for what was written in books (esp fiction books :whistle: ) we would not have much to read.
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
why would some Homosexual care what the Bible says ...


if he did, he would not be in that lifestyle anymore .......

and have himself down @ the Local Church praying for forgiveness ....


this dude is just looking for a Payday ....... :smack:
 
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