So let's have this discussion of gay United States citizens.
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justhangn
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I shoot pool with a few lesbians.......
and contrary to Beano's constant statements, not one of them has come to the table reeking of Tuna. :shrug:
and contrary to Beano's constant statements, not one of them has come to the table reeking of Tuna. :shrug:
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Beano
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Ok, so debate what I said earlier..
Debate what I said about it being a disorder, or being just like Pedophilia
Debate what I said about it being a disorder, or being just like Pedophilia
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Beano
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No you clown, I did not say that at all, I said I don't know any homosexuals..
Get the facts straight
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Beano
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There's plenty of consentual pedophilia, look at NAMbLA.
Anyway, I'm not talking about the actual sex act, I'm talking about the mental state of being aroused by a particular subject. The argument is that homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality, therefore attraction to the same sex is as natural as attraction to the opposite sex. Homosexuality was declassified as a mental disease because it didn't cause distress or interfere with the normal functions of a person's life, which is one of the current prerequisites for a mental disorder.
Pedophilia, in many, if not most cases, causes no distress to the pedophile, and most are quite capable of living their lives and appearing completely normal. The only difference is that instead of being attracted to adults, they're attracted to children. That's no different than a man being attracted to another man, or a fetishist getting turned on by leather and whips.
If one or more deviations in sexual attraction are now considered normal (e.g. homosexuality, fetishes, etc.) then the rest (e.g. pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, etc.) should also be considered normal by logical inference, which is why I'm predicting a huge explosion of the can of worms when the next NAMbLA pedophile gets wise and gets a civil rights lawyer to throw his case to the Supreme Court.
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The very essence of a mental disorder is that it's undoubtedly NOT normal, and not based solely on personal preferences or societal influences. Regardless of whether society thinks it's "normal" or not, a mental disorder is a failure of the brain to function properly, thereby causing distress and lack of functionality to the sufferer.
Examples of mental disorders:
Social anxiety disorder
Schizophrenia
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder
Manic Depression
And surprisingly, Gender Identity Disorder, which is a mystery to me. If it's all of a sudden ok for people to be attracted to members of the same sex, why is it still NOT ok for a person to have an overwhelming desire to act like they actually are a member of the opposite sex? The vast majority of homosexuals I've seen (and yes, I've met several) act like women in affect and personality - where is the line drawn? A large percentage of homosexuals do appear to have severe problems functioning within the normal parameters of society - that is, of course, until society altered itself to deem it acceptable.
Homosexuality is not becoming more normal, society is becoming LESS normal by treating it as though it's perfectly normal. The same effect would be achieved if society all of a sudden decided that schizophrenics were normal. "Oh, that guy? That's just Johnny, he thinks he's a cow, and he worships his big toe. Nothing wrong with that!"
Anyway, I'm not talking about the actual sex act, I'm talking about the mental state of being aroused by a particular subject. The argument is that homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality, therefore attraction to the same sex is as natural as attraction to the opposite sex. Homosexuality was declassified as a mental disease because it didn't cause distress or interfere with the normal functions of a person's life, which is one of the current prerequisites for a mental disorder.
Pedophilia, in many, if not most cases, causes no distress to the pedophile, and most are quite capable of living their lives and appearing completely normal. The only difference is that instead of being attracted to adults, they're attracted to children. That's no different than a man being attracted to another man, or a fetishist getting turned on by leather and whips.
If one or more deviations in sexual attraction are now considered normal (e.g. homosexuality, fetishes, etc.) then the rest (e.g. pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, etc.) should also be considered normal by logical inference, which is why I'm predicting a huge explosion of the can of worms when the next NAMbLA pedophile gets wise and gets a civil rights lawyer to throw his case to the Supreme Court.
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The very essence of a mental disorder is that it's undoubtedly NOT normal, and not based solely on personal preferences or societal influences. Regardless of whether society thinks it's "normal" or not, a mental disorder is a failure of the brain to function properly, thereby causing distress and lack of functionality to the sufferer.
Examples of mental disorders:
Social anxiety disorder
Schizophrenia
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder
Manic Depression
And surprisingly, Gender Identity Disorder, which is a mystery to me. If it's all of a sudden ok for people to be attracted to members of the same sex, why is it still NOT ok for a person to have an overwhelming desire to act like they actually are a member of the opposite sex? The vast majority of homosexuals I've seen (and yes, I've met several) act like women in affect and personality - where is the line drawn? A large percentage of homosexuals do appear to have severe problems functioning within the normal parameters of society - that is, of course, until society altered itself to deem it acceptable.
Homosexuality is not becoming more normal, society is becoming LESS normal by treating it as though it's perfectly normal. The same effect would be achieved if society all of a sudden decided that schizophrenics were normal. "Oh, that guy? That's just Johnny, he thinks he's a cow, and he worships his big toe. Nothing wrong with that!"
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Beano
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Originally posted by ememdee19
Let's see here, dingus....
I think you explained yourself here. No need to debate something you know nothing about. Your comments are purely opinions and nothing more. And you know what they say about opinions.....
The whole essence of a debate is based on opions. I do not research or care to explore the HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE..
Nowhere does that say I do not know or undertsand what homosexuality is...
Get out of this thread, you are a severe waste of time and space..
Bertha Venation
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No worries. I do. As I told a pal before, I've been called a lot worse--by people far more ignorant--than "tuna breath," and I've survived. :hohum:
How can you know anything about it if you don't know any nor have you done any research on it?
Homosexuality may BE a disorder. So is gossiping. So is paranoia. So is washing your hands every 5 minutes. So is NASCAR. SO WHAT?
I've already addressed the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. One is between consenting adults and the other is victimization of a child. You point to NAMBLA as a case where pedophilia is consentual. GUESS WHAT? Most of the "consenters" are adult men, not the kids. Are you trying to tell me that all those kids raped by priests were willing participants?
You don't like to see homosexuals. I don't like to see people picking their nose. Oh well. And I'll bet I see a LOT more people picking their nose than you see gays holding hands.
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Beano
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A pedaphile is an adult who is turned on by children
a homosexual is someone turned on by someone of the same sex.
Now, The sexual acts committed by the two are different Vrai, but the actual fact that they have disorders from the normal human is not.
I am not saying that A man raping a boy is whats being accepted by NAMBLA, but the fact that they have an attraction to young children is..
What part of this do you not understand?
a homosexual is someone turned on by someone of the same sex.
Now, The sexual acts committed by the two are different Vrai, but the actual fact that they have disorders from the normal human is not.
I am not saying that A man raping a boy is whats being accepted by NAMBLA, but the fact that they have an attraction to young children is..
What part of this do you not understand?
One is between consenting adults and the other is not. What part don't you understand?
I can't believe Catt didn't jump on my NASCAR remark.
Bertha Venation
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In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its DSM-III (its diagnostic manual). Two years later the American Psychological Association affirmed that decision.
Pedophilia involves an adult (orientation is irrelevant) victimizing a child. This is not consensual sex between adults. Pedophilia is irrelevant to the discussion.
Bertha Venation
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If that god-forsaken organization exists, do you honestly think the children consent? A child can't even give legal consent. Think about what you're saying, Beano.
Strange. When I talk about Kathy I never talk about arousal or sexual activity. Do you discuss those things when you're talking about your marriage?
You court the slippery-slope argument as if you're unaware that it's a logical fallacy.
At the gym. But seriously, I can't imagine you have truly met that many gay men, if in the sample you have met, the "vast majority" act like women. Of all the gay men I know, none of them acts like women, dresses like women, or wants to go out with anyone who does. Why? Because they're gay. They're attracted to men.
What is your evidence of this?
Bertha Venation
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Beano, what do you mean when you say "the homosexual lifestyle?" In reality, there are as many "homosexual lifestyles" as there are homosexuals. I seriously wish to know: what does the phrase mean to you?
Bertha Venation
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These are the types of comments that start flame wars.
Bertha Venation
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FYI, anyone: answers to questions about sexual orientation
