Tales From Torture’s Dark World

Nonno

Habari Na Mijeldi
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/opinion/15danner.html?em

"ON a bright sunny day two years ago, President George W. Bush strode into the East Room of the White House and informed the world that the United States had created a dark and secret universe to hold and interrogate captured terrorists.

“In addition to the terrorists held at Guantánamo,” the president said, “a small number of suspected terrorist leaders and operatives captured during the war have been held and questioned outside the United States, in a separate program operated by the Central Intelligence Agency.”

At these places, Mr. Bush said, “the C.I.A. used an alternative set of procedures.” He added: “These procedures were designed to be safe, to comply with our laws, our Constitution and our treaty obligations. The Department of Justice reviewed the authorized methods extensively and determined them to be lawful.” This speech will stand, I believe, as George W. Bush’s most important: perhaps the only historic speech he ever gave. In his fervent defense of his government’s “alternative set of procedures” and his equally fervent insistence that they were “lawful,” he set out before the country America’s dark moral epic of torture, in the coils of whose contradictions we find ourselves entangled still.

At the same time, perhaps unwittingly, Mr. Bush made it possible that day for those on whom the alternative set of procedures were performed eventually to speak. For he announced that he would send 14 “high-value detainees” from dark into twilight: they would be transferred from the overseas “black sites” to Guantánamo. There, while awaiting trial, the International Committee of the Red Cross would be “advised of their detention, and will have the opportunity to meet with them.” "
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
"ON a bright sunny day two years ago, President George W. Bush strode into the East Room of the White House and informed the world that the United States had created a dark and secret universe to hold and interrogate captured terrorists.
The imagery works better in fairy tales if the weather matches the mood.

"It was a dark and stormy night - lightning blasting through the darkness was his only light. Slowly, drenched by the pounding rain, deafened by the incessent claps of thunder, Imperial Commander Bush crept into the East Room Death Chamber of the Palace....."

You know, if you're going to report out and out lies, you should try and make it more interesting like that!

(When did the president become endowed with the abilities to create universes?)
 

hvp05

Methodically disorganized
(When did the president become endowed with the abilities to create universes?)
They could always do it. Only, with Bush, all the new universes were evil. :spooky:

Now, look around you. The Great O has created the universe of change, love, and, like, you know, total awesomeness.
 

CharlieBravo

New Member
People that are against torture to obtain information that can be used to prevent acts of terrorism have never left the comfy confines of their own homes. They believe that all mankind is ultimately good and there is no evil in the world. They know nothing past what they are fed from the media. They think that a global ban on weapons will cease all violence. They have no ability to develop their own logical and critical thinking and will always require someone else to tell them what to think and feel. They will always need someone else to protect them. They believe that criminals are products and victims of society. They may believe that some things may need to be done to make the world a better place, but someone else should do them.

I think that before someone can be either for or against something, they should do some real research that includes traveling to those places in the world that they’ve only seen in one or two second news blurbs.
 
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