Marriage: First I need to pick a gender...then...
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Nanny Pam
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W O W .......
you just opened a can of worms.
Since this is a forum of opinions, here's mine.
I believe in love. TRUE love is so hard to find. I think once you find it, go with it. If you are gay, hooray for you. If you are straight, hooray for you. Who cares, as long as it is really and truly love.
I might not be done with this subject. Let me think some more.
It's still kinda early. 
you just opened a can of worms.
Since this is a forum of opinions, here's mine.
I believe in love. TRUE love is so hard to find. I think once you find it, go with it. If you are gay, hooray for you. If you are straight, hooray for you. Who cares, as long as it is really and truly love.
I might not be done with this subject. Let me think some more.
It's still kinda early.
J
justhangn
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To me, it's like religion, do what you want in it's place but keep it out of my face. :shrug:
It really depends on how you want society to be set up. Marriage confers with it certain social status, and because of that should be kept sacred. If you want to, I suppose you could denegrate it to any level just so long as you keep it out of everybody's collective face who cares right?
Does it really matter to you if I marry my brother or my sister or my cat or my car? What the heck, it's just another milestone on the road paved with good intentions.
Or, here's a radical idea, marriage could be kept as a sacred institution designed to promote healthy families. Since families imply offspring, maybe its a good idea to keep them heterosexual. This also provides any offspring with parent role models that perpetuate the process.
Does it really matter to you if I marry my brother or my sister or my cat or my car? What the heck, it's just another milestone on the road paved with good intentions.
Or, here's a radical idea, marriage could be kept as a sacred institution designed to promote healthy families. Since families imply offspring, maybe its a good idea to keep them heterosexual. This also provides any offspring with parent role models that perpetuate the process.
I think the right to marry should be a federal law, not a state law.
SamSpade
Well-Known Member
As I am sure has been mentioned enough, the biggest part of this problem is that marriage is both a religious institution and legal one, and there needs to be some kind of distinction made. Remember not too long ago there was a Congressman who opened up the idea that with a vague law over marriage, there won't be a good reason to keep people from bigamy, polygamy, and all sorts of weird stuff. It opens a whole Pandora's box.
I do think a formal recognition of civil unions would solve the dilemma. Gay couples almost certainly know that their marriage is never going to be regarded by all people as legit. The reasonable solution is to provide a legal solution that doesn't intrude upon religious concerns.
I do think a formal recognition of civil unions would solve the dilemma. Gay couples almost certainly know that their marriage is never going to be regarded by all people as legit. The reasonable solution is to provide a legal solution that doesn't intrude upon religious concerns.
Simple: don't get married in a church.
Marriage is a legal entity. It requires a license from the state and you must declare it on your tax return. Church folks can say it's a religious institution all they want but that doesn't make it so. I can get married without a church being even remotely involved - I can't get married without the government's requirements.
I think a gay couple can make a better family for some baby than the 15 year old crack ho who conceived it and her pimp daddy boyfriend.
Larry and I had a rather heated discussion about 'anything goes' the other day. He made the argument that once you accept gay marriage, anything goes - polygamy, bigamy. I said, "So?" I was like, make a case that bigamy or polygamy, when all parties know about it, is bad for society. I, personally, could use another wife right now to help me get ready for Christmas.
So - anyone? Why would it be such a terrible thing to allow polygamy and how would it tear at the fabric of our nation?
crabcake
But wait, there's more...
i couldn't care less either so long as it's not the degrading type of "institution" i've read about happening.
and vrai, do yourself a favor ... just hire someone to come in during the holidays to help you. it's a lot easier to fork over the cash than to have to put up with yet someone else's bullsheet and argue over who gets Larry on what nights.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
Originally posted by tlatchaw
It really depends on how you want society to be set up. Marriage confers with it certain social status, and because of that should be kept sacred. If you want to, I suppose you could denegrate it to any level just so long as you keep it out of everybody's collective face who cares right?
Does it really matter to you if I marry my brother or my sister or my cat or my car? What the heck, it's just another milestone on the road paved with good intentions.
Or, here's a radical idea, marriage could be kept as a sacred institution designed to promote healthy families. Since families imply offspring, maybe its a good idea to keep them heterosexual. This also provides any offspring with parent role models that perpetuate the process.
You have a point about healthy families and role models, but why is that the business of government? Society and government are not the same thing. Your reasoning might be used to justify some law requiring single mothers to marry, even if the mothers were widowed.
To me, a healthy family requires not heterosexuality but stable personalities. If you have a parent who abuses drugs or can't hold down a job, it doesn't matter whether the parent is straight or gay. I agree that positive role models are important, but that can't be mandated by law.
dustin
UAIOE
I think this has been discussed before. Although I dont approve of homo/bisexuality, I'd rather see a stable person raising a kid than a south east DC crack-ho hooker with her 3 boyfriends. The more the parents are screwed up, the more likely the kid will be screwed up (according to modern society standards that is)Which brings up another question...how do these social standards get set? Faddish trends? Global Economics? Times change and people change with it.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
Originally posted by dustin
Which brings up another question...how do these social standards get set? Faddish trends? Global Economics? Times change and people change with it.
Good response. I don't think that homosexuality is something that I can approve of or disapprove of, because I seriously doubt that it's a choice people make. "Gee, what would sex with a man be like?"
Even if a gay person remains celibate for a lifetime, he or she is still romantically and sexually attracted to people of the same gender. The same goes for straight people. I've known since I was 5 that I was straight.
I don't approve or disapprove because it's none of my business and has nothing to do with me or my family. To me, worrying about whether someone is homosexual is the same thing as me wondering what you, Tonio, and your wife do in your marital bed. It's not something I think about or care about. If you and your wife started sucking face in publc, I'd find that as distasteful as a homosexual couple doing it.
:shrug:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I may be dumb...
...but I ain't stupid.
We're interviewing now for extra wives. Resumes may be PM'd.
...but I ain't stupid.
We're interviewing now for extra wives. Resumes may be PM'd.
Overall, I don't really care who marries whom. I wouldn’t mind seeing the government get out of the marriage business. Leave it to the churches. And I find the requirement for a license to get married to be comical. Like anyone is ever turned down. And even if they were, they could still live as a couple till the day they died. The same applies to polygamy, bigamy, and whatever else you want to mention. Prevent their legal acknowledgment and they will just exist with out it. Especially now that the majority of the old fundamentalist laws preventing these situations are being tossed out.
As someone else mentioned, the only real benefit for a family is a stable, sane relationship between the members. The rest is just someones personal agenda.
As someone else mentioned, the only real benefit for a family is a stable, sane relationship between the members. The rest is just someones personal agenda.
SamSpade
Well-Known Member
Actually, that's a good question - why does the government have to be a part of marriage at all? Why can you do it in a courthouse? Why is it even a legal thing at all?
Vrai answered me earlier, hey, just do it in a courthouse and you're fine. See, the thing is, it was a religious and cultural institution long before it became a legal one. Wouldn't it make sense for the government to just stay out of it, and let churches do it?
Vrai answered me earlier, hey, just do it in a courthouse and you're fine. See, the thing is, it was a religious and cultural institution long before it became a legal one. Wouldn't it make sense for the government to just stay out of it, and let churches do it?