wintersprings
New Member
There is a Camera going up 5 toward Waldorf. I will not shop in Waldorf period.
Who care's to join?
Who care's to join?
Boycotting counties with Cameras
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Lenny
Lovin' being Texican
Do you mean the one that's been there two years?
wintersprings
New Member
yea, the one that turns yellow, then red, real fast.... that one.
hvp05
Methodically disorganized
Don't run yellow lights and you'll be okay.
If you really want people to join, heck, I will!
bcp
In My Opinion
poo lights are not far behind. pun intended
Red light cameras have been around a while. I've gotten used to them. Now it's speeding cameras. Apparently that's the real money maker
Otter
Nothing to see here
glhs837
Power with Control
A few points.
1. Easy to say "Dont run a red light", until, of course, you get a citation for a light you didnt run, and the appeal process is artifically odious, becuase appeals that actually make it into court cost money, and its ALL about money.
2. Easy to say "No problem if you dont run a red light", until you get involved in an accident that wouldnt have happened, except folks change their behavior around these things, and stop when you would not expect them to go, slamming them on hard. Or they dont expect you to. There have been many studies showing that these do NOT improve safety. The only ones that dont are funded by the industry. Virginias own traffic research branch reached this conclusion a few years back, after studying the cams VA installed back then. VA has recenty seen some emplaced again. For money, obviously, since they ignored thier own research. Its about money, after all.
3. Easy to say "Thats the way it goes", but it doesnt have to. These things are placed by cnouty govvernment, and count on citizen indifference to enable them to get away with it. The camera company repa come to town, buy a few dinners, show huge projected revenues, and its off to the races. The second I see the County Comisioners are entertaining such a program, I plan to organize a stiff resistance.
Oh, and the companies that run these things do cheat a lot. Out of calibration cameras, shorted yellow lights, it endemic. Thats why law enforcement for profit is a bad idea, it encourages the enforcers to break the law in the name of profit.
1. Easy to say "Dont run a red light", until, of course, you get a citation for a light you didnt run, and the appeal process is artifically odious, becuase appeals that actually make it into court cost money, and its ALL about money.
2. Easy to say "No problem if you dont run a red light", until you get involved in an accident that wouldnt have happened, except folks change their behavior around these things, and stop when you would not expect them to go, slamming them on hard. Or they dont expect you to. There have been many studies showing that these do NOT improve safety. The only ones that dont are funded by the industry. Virginias own traffic research branch reached this conclusion a few years back, after studying the cams VA installed back then. VA has recenty seen some emplaced again. For money, obviously, since they ignored thier own research. Its about money, after all.
3. Easy to say "Thats the way it goes", but it doesnt have to. These things are placed by cnouty govvernment, and count on citizen indifference to enable them to get away with it. The camera company repa come to town, buy a few dinners, show huge projected revenues, and its off to the races. The second I see the County Comisioners are entertaining such a program, I plan to organize a stiff resistance.
Oh, and the companies that run these things do cheat a lot. Out of calibration cameras, shorted yellow lights, it endemic. Thats why law enforcement for profit is a bad idea, it encourages the enforcers to break the law in the name of profit.
glhs837
Power with Control
For those of you who dont get that these machines are about money, not safety, do some reading. Note the author takes great pains to document the issues.
Maryland Speed Cameras
School zones made up just for cams, speed limits lowered just for cams, all sorts of shenanigans.
Maryland Speed Cameras
School zones made up just for cams, speed limits lowered just for cams, all sorts of shenanigans.
Vince
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Saw one on Rt 301. Guy ahead of me just got his truck about half cross the white line before he could stop and I saw the camera take the picture. He didn't actually run the light, but crossed the line and the camera still got him.
spike2763
New Member
Than those people are either:
1. Going to fast
2. Are distracted and not paying attention
Either way it is thier fault
I agree it's really a money maker for the county, but you can not excuse careless driving on cameras
glhs837
Power with Control
I am not excusing careless driving. The fact is that where cameras are placed, it changes the behavior of drivers in such a way that accidents increase. Like short yellows, folks have an idea of how things usually happen, and stuff outside those expectations lead to an increase in accidents. It has also been shown in studies by the NHTSA that the most effective method of decreasing red light accidents is lengthening the yellow by 1/2 to 1 second. But that makes no money.
SoMdDude
New Member
And he wont get a ticket. The camera takes two pictures (some of the modern ones also take a little video clip). You only get the ticket if your vehicle actually continues into the intersection.
The number of rear-end collisions at the lights increase for the reasons you mentioned. The number of deadly T-bone type collisions decreases.
There have been communities where the city has shortened the yellow phase to increase revenue, there are clear rules on that (depending on the speed limit and city/highway designation) and every time that has happened their tickets have been thrown out in court.
I have no problem with the county generating revenue out of speeding or red-light cameras. The roads have to be paved, the widows and orphans have to be fed. When given the options of taxing property or carelessness, I prefer the latter.
glhs837
Power with Control
You are the citizen they count on. The studies show that deadly t-bones are not as prevelant as you might think, and the increase in rear end collisions end up actually costing more, and causing more injuries. And both conditions can be more effectivley reduced through the simple increase of red light times. The simplest solution is best, I think. And stands no chance of ensnaring innocent citizens into a no way out trap.
If it were about safety, there would be points, or high fines, instead its a low fine and no points. That way folks dont fight it.
If it were about safety, there would be points, or high fines, instead its a low fine and no points. That way folks dont fight it.
I got a $100 speed camera ticket in DC..(16 mph over the speed limit... 61 in a 45 zone)... Didn't pay much attention to the speed limit sign or realize there was one there and wondered why the few cars traveling through there were going so slow.
Next time I'll go the speed limit. Pretty simple really, don't speed and be prepared to safely stop when approaching traffic signals and it won't be a problem for you....Within 20 years they'll be built right into the roads.....
Next time I'll go the speed limit. Pretty simple really, don't speed and be prepared to safely stop when approaching traffic signals and it won't be a problem for you....Within 20 years they'll be built right into the roads.....