...The Patriot Post said:
Jesus is who He is or was a lunitic
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hvp05
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That would imply that those who put their faith in him are also lunatics, and I do not believe that to be so. If he was 'just a man', he would be joined with thousands of other great spiritual speakers throughout history, all of whom were equally firm in their beliefs.
You miss something very important. Jesus is God and He said so. If He was not, He was a lunatic to claim so, and if He is not, then all those who follow Him are equally crazy.
But Jesus is God. He is who He claimed to be, and all those that follow Him in truth are destined for glory.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
The undeniable fact of the Resurrection that we celebrate on Sunday, is the one event that separates Christianity from every other religion in the world. It also proves that Jesus is exactly who He says He is: God.
Notice in v19 below that Jesus said "I" will raise it in 3 days? Notice also (in Acts 2:24) that Peter said: God raised Him from the dead...? Peter said God will, and Jesus said He will. That means that Jesus was equating Himself with God, so He had to prove it to the people; Which He did by resurrecting Himself from the dead:
18 The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?”
19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. (John 2)
This is by far, my favorite and the most beautiful song I've ever heard! It says it all! Whenever I sing it or hear it sung, I get misty eyed :shrug:
Notice in v19 below that Jesus said "I" will raise it in 3 days? Notice also (in Acts 2:24) that Peter said: God raised Him from the dead...? Peter said God will, and Jesus said He will. That means that Jesus was equating Himself with God, so He had to prove it to the people; Which He did by resurrecting Himself from the dead:
18 The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?”
19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. (John 2)
This is by far, my favorite and the most beautiful song I've ever heard! It says it all! Whenever I sing it or hear it sung, I get misty eyed :shrug:
maybe one day when you grow up you will understand the difference between a fact and something that you take on faith. the resurrection of christ is certtainly debatable, and far frlm "fact".
as for the op, why couldn't christ be crazy (to claim he was a god) AND a great moral teacher? the two are not mutally exclusive.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
Disprove it then...
Amazing that the Roman Army, the Jewish Sanhedrin, Herod, Pilate, and a whole host of others that had a vested interest in finding the dead body of Jesus never found one. All they had to do was do that to prove Jesus was just a man. They could not and did not.
Amazing also that the disciples of Jesus went from being timid shirkers, deniers of Jesus (Peter), and doubters (especially Thomas) to being bold and willing to die because they absolutely knew that Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.
What happened to the disciples?
- Judas - hung himself for betraying Jesus
- Andrew - crucified
- Bartholomew - crucified upside down
- James, Son of Alphaeus - stoned to death
- James, Son of Zebedee - killed with sword
- John, brother of James and son of Zebedee - boiled in oil, banished by Domitian the king to the isle of Patmos
- Matthew/Levi - died of natural causes
- Peter was crucified
- Paul was beheaded
- Philip was crucified
- Simon the Zealot died of natural causes
- Thaddaeus/Judas son of James died of natural causes
- Thomas (the doubter) was was thrust through in the four members of his body with a pine spear
In most courts, the testimony of two witnesses is enough. There is far more testimony than two that Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.
Toxick
Splat
And this - at least in my mind - is one of the most compelling arguments in favor of the resurrection that can be made.
These are men who would have KNOWN if the resurrection was false. They would have KNOWN if it were a big hoax. These are not your typical religious zealots who kill and die over their beliefs. These are the very men who would know for sure.
Many zealots give up their life for what they believe.
Nobody gives up their life for what they know is a lie.