The Kennedy assassination

mamatutu

mama to two
Clear and simple..an illegal power grab by the elderly and unelectable LBJ...

I was 8 years old and on the school bus on the way home from school when I heard. My parents cried for a couple of days. They were Repubs. In all my years of seeing documentaries, news, theories, etc., I agree with you that Johnson was behind it. He was more well connected to the underworld than people may think.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Clear and simple. A nobody trying to be a somebody killed JFK. Oswald acted alone.

http://www.amazon.com/Live-By-The-Sword-Against/dp/1890862010

That's what I think. Every other theory involves too much evidence NOT coming to light.
The magic bullet theory has been completely debunked.

The reason I don't get into conspiracy theories is that it ALWAYS depends on evidence NOT being there and a claim
that the TRUE evidence has been withheld. It's all questions and speculation rather than proof and facts.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
That's what I think. Every other theory involves too much evidence NOT coming to light.
The magic bullet theory has been completely debunked.

The reason I don't get into conspiracy theories is that it ALWAYS depends on evidence NOT being there and a claim
that the TRUE evidence has been withheld. It's all questions and speculation rather than proof and facts.


There is a brilliant South Park episode that involves the 9/11 conspiracies and, at the end, it is revealed that the gummint is behind the promotion of all the theories based on the very simple predicate that it simply won't do for we, the people to know that, sometimes, the government simply ####s up. That is MUST be, for the good of the nation, that SOMEONE, or SOMETHING is responsible and that we merely need more gummint to address that thing or person so it doesn't happen again.

9/11 happened, directly, because of the actions taken post JFK assassination to cover up the gummints #### ups back then. The CIA and FBI did know who Oswald was. They did know he was, sort of, a threat, kinda of, maybe, but, he was judged, several times, to be too much of a loser, too much of a oddball, to be taken seriously. There was no way the government could let it be known, at least that is the thinking of those in power, that we KNEW and we didn't stop him.

Another view, the second layer of that is simply ass covering so that no one in power is ever held responsible because that would do the same thing; cause doubt in the minds of the people as to the real power and use and need of government.

9/11 happened because the FBI was not allowed to close in on Atta and pals because they got some of their info from CIA and Assistant AG Gorelick made the correct LEGAL call from the Warren Commission, the separation, the wall, between domestic, FBI, and ovre seas, CIA; you boys can't do that.

Then, what happens? Ol' Jamie is ON the 9/11 Commission.

"So, Mr. Fox, what can you tell us about the great chicken coop caper?"

"Well, sirs, we did all we could do to prevent it. No one is at fault and #### happens sometimes...We do, however, recommend a few new departments and studies. You know, to see this sort of thing(s) doesn't happen again..."
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Another view, the second layer of that is simply ass covering so that no one in power is ever held responsible because that would do the same thing; cause doubt in the minds of the people as to the real power and use and need of government.


this IMHO is the bigger issue, Hoover was embarrassed ... the President could be murdered and the FBI had NO Clue a plot was in progress ....
so key evidence was buried ...
 

Retrodeb54

Surely you jest ...
Clear and simple. A nobody trying to be a somebody killed JFK. Oswald acted alone.

A nobody patsy picked by our own, then taken out by our own. Jack Ruby was hand picked to do his part too I feel. After years of reading on this and all the conspiracy theories out there, my opinion is JFK was just too powerful and many felt he posed a threat. Our own government, the mafia (an apple that doesn't fall far from the tree) and other countries included. Remember how he almost pushed the red button? Even outside of the White House his family was all powerful. I really don't see Oswald acting alone.

All IMHO of course.

:coffee:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
A nobody patsy picked by our own, then taken out by our own. Jack Ruby was hand picked to do his part too I feel. After years of reading on this and all the conspiracy theories out there, my opinion is JFK was just too powerful and many felt he posed a threat. Our own government, the mafia (an apple that doesn't fall far from the tree) and other countries included. Remember how he almost pushed the red button? Even outside of the White House his family was all powerful. I really don't see Oswald acting alone.

All IMHO of course.

:coffee:


That's why it is so easy to sell conspiracy theories; like religion, people WANT to believe.

LBJ/Mafia/RFK killed JFK.
Elections are rigged simply to placate the masses.
Obama didn't win. He was chosen.
Dubbya didn't win. He was chosen.
We didn't land on the moon
FDR knew about Pearl Harbor and let it happen so we could go to war


The sad, boring truth, most of the time, is the obvious; someone ####ed up. Someone else had too much to lose to let it be that simple. Someone who wanted to be someone who had too much to lose went along with it.

I mean, look at the lies parents tell their kids. It's for the greater good. As they see it. And there is a case to be made for it. I was open and honest with my kids about smoking dope as a kid. They both at least tried it. One of them struggles with it. Some people dear to me lied their asses off to their kids and they have the best kids imaginable.

We all can probably figure out something we wish we were never told.

I have a dear friend, a woman, who told me that Bill Clinton was doing the right and honorable thing by lying to Hillary; "What women, baby? There ain't no one but you, sugar!"

Wall Street is nothing but lies. A legal confidence game. All the leveraging is based on lies. More specifically, enough people believing the lies. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.

The TEA party opposes government controlled health care spending like the ACA and supports the government controlled health care spending we had before it.

Lincoln did NOT go to war to end slavery.

Bush told a half truth (aka a whole lie) about WMD to do what he believed was in the national interest.

Most of us work in environments where you go along to get along, ignoring waste, fraud and abuse and rationalizing it as the done thing.

The mafia can't fail if everyone keeps their mouth shut.

The IRS scandals, Watergate, spying on the media, Benghazi, Clinton's affairs, if everyone plays ball, it's all good.

Baseball pretended they'd never heard of steroids when it, finally, became impossible to ignore and the press did the same thing. Players did what they did gambling everyone would just go along.

BP got away with horrible rules violations in the Gulf spill because too many people had too much to lose if they actually had to pay for what they did wrong.

TARP was ALL about hanging together or hanging apart.

The GM bailouts, Ford had to go along even though they didn't need it.

Our troops have been working, and dying, for the Saudi's for over a decade.

The church protected pedophile priests for the greater good.

We're protecting heroin lords in A'stan.

:shrug:
 
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Larry Gude

Strung Out
this IMHO is the bigger issue, Hoover was embarrassed ... the President could be murdered and the FBI had NO Clue a plot was in progress ....
so key evidence was buried ...

The Warren Commission said "If the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing, and vice versa, there will always be plausible denialbility.

That protects the government.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
A nobody patsy picked by our own, then taken out by our own. Jack Ruby was hand picked to do his part too I feel. After years of reading on this and all the conspiracy theories out there, my opinion is JFK was just too powerful and many felt he posed a threat. Our own government, the mafia (an apple that doesn't fall far from the tree) and other countries included. Remember how he almost pushed the red button? Even outside of the White House his family was all powerful. I really don't see Oswald acting alone.

Yep. The Ruby part is just way too coincidental, especially when coupled with his lame excuse.

JFK was reckless, with his bimbos and playboy behavior. He wasn't a terribly strong leader nor was he particularly intelligent; pretty much all he had was charisma and Daddy's money. It's not a stretch to think the CIA or the mafia or whoever really controls government in this country took him out of the equation. Look what happened under LBJ: welfare, entitlement...um, Vietnam.

Forget all the so-called "evidence" - I have never personally seen any of it, documents can be falsified, there are different accounts of what "really" happened, who was involved with who, etc etc etc. What we, the people sitting here at our computers 50 years later with no access to anything, do know is that Oswald was arrested for the assassination and Jack Ruby killed him while he was being escorted to jail by a number of police officers, and gave the reason that he wanted to spare Jackie the trauma of a trial. That right there is bull####, no two ways about it. It's plain and simple bull####, which tells me there is much much more to the story and it has been covered up.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Yep. The Ruby part is just way too coincidental, especially when coupled with his lame excuse.

JFK was reckless, with his bimbos and playboy behavior. He wasn't a terribly strong leader nor was he particularly intelligent; pretty much all he had was charisma and Daddy's money. It's not a stretch to think the CIA or the mafia or whoever really controls government in this country took him out of the equation. Look what happened under LBJ: welfare, entitlement...um, Vietnam.

Forget all the so-called "evidence" - I have never personally seen any of it, documents can be falsified, there are different accounts of what "really" happened, who was involved with who, etc etc etc. What we, the people sitting here at our computers 50 years later with no access to anything, do know is that Oswald was arrested for the assassination and Jack Ruby killed him while he was being escorted to jail by a number of police officers, and gave the reason that he wanted to spare Jackie the trauma of a trial. That right there is bull####, no two ways about it. It's plain and simple bull####, which tells me there is much much more to the story and it has been covered up.

"It CAN'T be!!!"

I rest my case. :lmao:


Of course, just to play along, if 'THEY' have ALL that power, enough to murder the President of the United States of America and get away with it, why on earth would they need to???

:popcorn:
 

Retrodeb54

Surely you jest ...
Yep. The Ruby part is just way too coincidental, especially when coupled with his lame excuse.

JFK was reckless, with his bimbos and playboy behavior. He wasn't a terribly strong leader nor was he particularly intelligent; pretty much all he had was charisma and Daddy's money. It's not a stretch to think the CIA or the mafia or whoever really controls government in this country took him out of the equation. Look what happened under LBJ: welfare, entitlement...um, Vietnam.

Forget all the so-called "evidence" - I have never personally seen any of it, documents can be falsified, there are different accounts of what "really" happened, who was involved with who, etc etc etc. What we, the people sitting here at our computers 50 years later with no access to anything, do know is that Oswald was arrested for the assassination and Jack Ruby killed him while he was being escorted to jail by a number of police officers, and gave the reason that he wanted to spare Jackie the trauma of a trial. That right there is bull####, no two ways about it. It's plain and simple bull####, which tells me there is much much more to the story and it has been covered up.

LIKE


:coffee:
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Of course, just to play along, if 'THEY' have ALL that power, enough to murder the President of the United States of America and get away with it, why on earth would they need to???

The President is just a man. If you think any of our US Presidents were the be all end all of world dominating power.....well, I don't know what to tell you. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
 

Retrodeb54

Surely you jest ...
"It CAN'T be!!!"

I rest my case. :lmao:


Of course, just to play along, if 'THEY' have ALL that power, enough to murder the President of the United States of America and get away with it, why on earth would they need to???

:popcorn:

Catch your breath. 'sheesh'

:coffee:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
The President is just a man. If you think any of our US Presidents were the be all end all of world dominating power.....well, I don't know what to tell you. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

But, that's my point! He is JUST a man! Why would folks powerful enough to kill him, and cover it up, need to bother with killing him, at all?
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Catch your breath. 'sheesh'

:coffee:

Well, it's a fair question. On the one hand, the reason to kill him; he won't do what we want! On the other, the power to not only kill him but to get enough people to go along with it? Why not just get those people to go along with what you want done in the first place and stay out of the risk of murder? Good Lord. LBJ went ahead and did what JFK wanted anyway but, was struggling with; Civil rights and war in Southeast Asia.
 
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