High-Speed Rail

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
does HSR even make any sense :shrug: until you ban several 100 million cars

Makes none on any of the routes it has been proposed for. The incredible costs have no corresponding economic benefit or payback...it's just a bunch of money being wasted. The current AMTRAK system is an economic disaster; HSR will simply be an even larger debacle.
 

nutz

Well-Known Member
The incredible costs have no corresponding economic benefit or payback....

:gossip: A couple of contracting firms are disagreeing with your opinion. What are these type of projects called now? Pork is out, economic stimulus is blase
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
:gossip: A couple of contracting firms are disagreeing with your opinion. What are these type of projects called now? Pork is out, economic stimulus is blase

Who is going to ride a train when they can fly or drive cheaper?
 

LibertyBeacon

Unto dust we shall return
High speed rail is just a giveaway to the rail freight concerns. These will be built, ostensibly to move people, but the people won't come. What the hell, got all this track ready for 150+ mph trains, might as well let the freight trains have at it. And that is how you create a subsidy to an industry when the taxpayers wouldn't otherwise want any parts of it.
 

Gilligan

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PREMO Member
To build an entire new class of freight rail rolling equipment and engines that is capable of well over twice that of current stock would be wildly expensive. Considering the economics of rail freight as they are now, It's hard to see a model that has a sufficient ROI to go faster, even if the route infrastructure was initially free of any cost to the rail companies.

It's only been in the last 4 or 5 years that almost exactly the same "scheme" collapsed completely in the maritime industry. State and local governments were going to invest a lot of taxpayer dollars to build advanced infrastructure and cargo transfer "nodes" and investors/operators were going to build ultra-high-speed cargo vessels. The city of Philadelphia spent a ton of taxpayer money on what was going to be their node/port for a trans-atlantic high-speed freight service. Volvo, Fed Ex and others invested heavily in the ship designs for it, and so on. But all the projects eventually died when it became clearer and clearer, over time, that "going really fast/faster/fastest" did not automatically confer economic viability.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Considering the economics of rail freight as they are now, It's hard to see a model that has a sufficient ROI to go faster, even if the route infrastructure was initially free of any cost to the rail companies.


what about the current fuel costs .... are we approaching a time, when regional warehouses fed by rail would be better than 100,000 LHT

[csx has this nifty add on wmal from time to time]
 

Gilligan

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PREMO Member
what about the current fuel costs .... are we approaching a time, when regional warehouses fed by rail would be better than 100,000 LHT

[csx has this nifty add on wmal from time to time]

Cost-per-ton-mile are far lower for rail than OTH trucks. Far lower for waterway transportation too. But the overall point-to-point logistics of moving anything generally don't favor rail and waterways transport over trucking; certainly not for the entire journey anyway. Volume/weight requirements..limited load/unload points...lack of route flexibility....
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Cost-per-ton-mile are far lower for rail than OTH trucks. Far lower for waterway transportation too. But the overall point-to-point logistics of moving anything generally don't favor rail and waterways transport over trucking. Volume/weight requirements..limited load/unload points...lack of route flexibility....


:yay:
 
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