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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    That could be. However it's reasonable to assume that someone probably said something to him, or he at least noticed there was a disturbance before the cops showed up. Or maybe not, but he definitely had to notice when the cops told him to drop the gun and get on the floor. So why not simply put the pellet rifle down when told to do so? Or is that a violation of his 2A rights?

    With the story as reported, I'm siding with the cops on this one. GURPS should probably go into law enforcement since he knows what type of weapon a person is brandishing instantly and without having to look at it, but most cops don't have that mind reading ability. Calling this one "suicide by cop".
    Who knows.

    Hypothetical.....You're holding a BB gun, I yell "Drop the gun", then immediately shoot afterwards in fear for my life.

    Technically, I could claim that I told you to drop it. Then folks would be asking why he didn't just drop the BB gun after having a real gun pointed at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn View Post
    Who knows.

    Hypothetical.....You're holding a BB gun, I yell "Drop the gun", then immediately shoot afterwards in fear for my life.

    Technically, I could claim that I told you to drop it. Then folks would be asking why he didn't just drop the BB gun after having a real gun pointed at him.
    Well, and then there's the other side:

    You're sitting at Luby's enjoying your meatloaf and Boston cream pie when some guy stalks in with a rifle in his hand. You happen to be carrying. How many seconds do you have to determine if he's a threat or not? Do you wait for him to shoot someone? If he raises the rifle and takes aim, would you drop him or wait to see if it's just a BB gun?

    We expect cops to be these perfect machines who know everything before it happens and can assess a situation within a split second, but that's not reality. Reality is: don't go out in public waving a gun around. You're doubly stupid if it turns out you were waving around some toy weapon, especially in this day and age. It may be your "right" to do so, but if you get shot dead it's your own fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    Well, and then there's the other side:

    You're sitting at Luby's enjoying your meatloaf and Boston cream pie when some guy stalks in with a rifle in his hand. You happen to be carrying. How many seconds do you have to determine if he's a threat or not? Do you wait for him to shoot someone? If he raises the rifle and takes aim, would you drop him or wait to see if it's just a BB gun?

    We expect cops to be these perfect machines who know everything before it happens and can assess a situation within a split second, but that's not reality. Reality is: don't go out in public waving a gun around. You're doubly stupid if it turns out you were waving around some toy weapon, especially in this day and age. It may be your "right" to do so, but if you get shot dead it's your own fault.
    That is, of course, assuming he was "waiving the gun around", and not simply looking over a toy gun, in the toy gun aisle.

    We'll get the whole picture when the security camera footage comes out I guess.

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    I know that if I was the guy with the pellet gun in my hand and someone in the store said "Drop it!" I'd turn around to see what was going on. Since I know that I'm not creating a scene, I would like to know who's ordering someone else to "Drop It! and hit the ground." The cop, or cops, on the other hand, would see me (previously described as crazy man with an AK-47 to the dispatcher. Who know WHAT she described me as on the radio) turning with whatever cannon the dispatcher said I was blasting away in the store. Yep, I'd probably be tempted to pull the trigger if I was the cop and I would wonder who ####ed up if I was the guy carrying the unloaded, uncharged, uncocked pellet gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn View Post
    That is, of course, assuming he was "waiving the gun around", and not simply looking over a toy gun, in the toy gun aisle.
    Air rifles are not in the toy section, no matter what those idiots commenting about that story say. They are usually by sporting goods. I believe they are also behind the counter in a case, but don't quote me on that because I haven't been in that section of WalMart in awhile.

    So if you were standing at the gun counter at WalMart looking at an air rifle, a salesperson would be there with you to assist your purchase. It's not a toy and they're not treated as toys. It will be interesting to see the security video but by the time it comes out I'll have forgotten all about this and won't give a damn.

    Regardless, the media got a hate 2-fer on this: cops shoots black guy....IN WAL-MART!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    The comments on that story are frightening. First of all, a bunch of liberal race baiters and whitey haters; second, a bunch of anti-gun freaks; third, how did we become a nation of cop haters?
    As to the third point, they let cops like it's required speak in public.
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    Walmart Airgun Death Looks Worse Every Passing Day


    We’d mentioned in our previous post on the subject that it appeared to us that Crawford had been SWATted by a former Marine and his wife.

    Ronald Ritchie made the 911 call to police that set events in motion, and even though his wife April was confined April and Ronald Ritchie, in an interview Wednesday night with News Center 7′s Jessica Heffner and Dayton Daily News Staff Writer Kelli Wynn, said they were in the hardware department when they saw a man leaving an aisle and walk past them with the rifle pointed toward the sky.

    “He got on his cell phone right after he walked past me,” April Ritchie said. Ritchie was on her cell phone, talking with her mother. She had broken an ankle and was riding a scooter.

    “Guy. Gun. Hold on,” April Ritchie recalled telling her mother.

    They followed the man at a safe distance and Ronald Ritchie, a former Marine, called 911 at 8:21 p.m.

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    The behavior of the Ritchies as they described it was odd, to put it mildly. A man who seriously fears that he is in sight of an armed threat does not allow his injured wife to trail the “dangerous suspect” in a Walmart scooter, where she would be an easy target.
    We’re tempted to suggest a conspiracy here — but it’s just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply can’t conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

  8. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    Air rifles are not in the toy section, no matter what those idiots commenting about that story say. They are usually by sporting goods. I believe they are also behind the counter in a case, but don't quote me on that because I haven't been in that section of WalMart in awhile.

    So if you were standing at the gun counter at WalMart looking at an air rifle, a salesperson would be there with you to assist your purchase. It's not a toy and they're not treated as toys. It will be interesting to see the security video but by the time it comes out I'll have forgotten all about this and won't give a damn.

    Regardless, the media got a hate 2-fer on this: cops shoots black guy....IN WAL-MART!!!!
    I said "toy gun aisle". Both Wal-Marts I've been to recently had them sitting on the shelf in the "toy gun aisle". they were with all the other BB/Pellet guns and airsoft guns and equipment. They are not locked up (though they probably will be now) and no Wal-Mart employee needs to be there to assist someone looking at one.

    ...but I don't want to quote you or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    Air rifles are not in the toy section, no matter what those idiots commenting about that story say. They are usually by sporting goods. I believe they are also behind the counter in a case, but don't quote me on that because I haven't been in that section of WalMart in awhile.

    So if you were standing at the gun counter at WalMart looking at an air rifle, a salesperson would be there with you to assist your purchase. It's not a toy and they're not treated as toys. It will be interesting to see the security video but by the time it comes out I'll have forgotten all about this and won't give a damn.




    Regardless, the media got a hate 2-fer on this: cops shoots black guy....IN WAL-MART!!!!
    When I bought both the CO2 powered pellet pistol and the hand pump air powered pellet rifle, both were right off the rack. Was in sporting goods, about 20 whole feet from bikes and toys. Actually saw a post by a guy who had been a Wal-Mart Manager who said it wasnt uncommon to find them out of the boxes and in other nearby areas like automotive and toys.
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  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn View Post
    I said "toy gun aisle"..
    You might have said that...but some of the media reports said the incident occurred in the "toy aisle". Others said it occurred in the pet supplies aisle. They're just making the story up as they go.
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