You get the govt you deserve

tommyjo

New Member
How many times have I read that line on this site? How many of the far right wing moron crew use that or some form of it as their signature?

On Friday evening, it took a last minute deal between Mr. Boehner and Ms. Pelosi to pass an asinine 7 day stop-gap funding measure for the DHS.

Why only a stop gap measure? Because the majority party in the House has a large enough faction that is more concerned with embarrassing or beating the current president than they are worried about the safety of the country. They are more worried about appearance than substance. They are more concerned with party than country.

National defense is supposed to be the stalwart plank in your party's platform. But with majorities in both houses, the Rs can't pass a bill to fund DHS w/o D help? This is the party that was swept into office in November clearly stating that they were going to show the country how to govern??? They can't pass funding for a dept that is at the core of their belief system?

Since Friday, there have been posts about ISIS on this board. ISIS is supposed to already be here if on listens to the fear mongers on Fox, right? ISIS is supposed to be THE threat facing this country according to the lot of you far right freaks, right? Yet, the people you want to run this country can't pass a bill to fund the agency dedicated to protecting the homeland from such a threat?

Since Friday, there have been multiple posts about a guy who was shot in Russia and sexual orientation...yet nothing about the ineptness of those you want to run the country.

You claim to be so educated and open minded...where is your outrage? Where is your moral indignation? Where is Mamatutu weeping for the future? Where is Hijinx spouting some rant based on something he thinks he read somewhere, sometime? Where are the rest of you and your govt sucks rants?

As you all like to say" you got the govt you wanted. Congrats or something.
 

Rommey

Well-Known Member
It is really simple...all that needs to happen is for the Dems in the Senate to acquiesce to the will of the majority. If the Republicans were the party of obstruction whilst they were in the minority, it seems fairly obvious that now the Dems are the party of obstruction (not that they did much whilst they were in the majority).
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
It is really simple...all that needs to happen is for the Dems in the Senate to acquiesce to the will of the majority. If the Republicans were the party of obstruction whilst they were in the minority, it seems fairly obvious that now the Dems are the party of obstruction (not that they did much whilst they were in the majority).

I don't understand how passing a bill that allows financing Obama to allow illegal immigrants into the country is helping our Homeland Security.
The Republicans want to stop Obama's illegal amnesty.
So in order to secure America Republicans have to vote money to support Obama's illegal, Unconstitutional amnesty program?

And of course Democrats are right in line with Obama giving the country away to anyone who wants to roam across our borders.
If that's Homeland security F**k it Close it down.
 

sparky43

New Member
How many times have I read that line on this site? How many of the far right wing moron crew use that or some form of it as their signature?

On Friday evening, it took a last minute deal between Mr. Boehner and Ms. Pelosi to pass an asinine 7 day stop-gap funding measure for the DHS.

Why only a stop gap measure? Because the majority party in the House has a large enough faction that is more concerned with embarrassing or beating the current president than they are worried about the safety of the country. They are more worried about appearance than substance. They are more concerned with party than country.

National defense is supposed to be the stalwart plank in your party's platform. But with majorities in both houses, the Rs can't pass a bill to fund DHS w/o D help? This is the party that was swept into office in November clearly stating that they were going to show the country how to govern??? They can't pass funding for a dept that is at the core of their belief system?

Since Friday, there have been posts about ISIS on this board. ISIS is supposed to already be here if on listens to the fear mongers on Fox, right? ISIS is supposed to be THE threat facing this country according to the lot of you far right freaks, right? Yet, the people you want to run this country can't pass a bill to fund the agency dedicated to protecting the homeland from such a threat?

Since Friday, there have been multiple posts about a guy who was shot in Russia and sexual orientation...yet nothing about the ineptness of those you want to run the country.

You claim to be so educated and open minded...where is your outrage? Where is your moral indignation? Where is Mamatutu weeping for the future? Where is Hijinx spouting some rant based on something he thinks he read somewhere, sometime? Where are the rest of you and your govt sucks rants?

As you all like to say" you got the govt you wanted. Congrats or something.


Both parties are equally incompetent. The entire system is broken. Are we to blame? Yes, because we don't demand that they pass laws that the majority of the people want. I'd like to know where all these polls come from that support their actions. How many hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars have been spent on the Dept. Of Homeland Security for nothing. The borders are wide open to any that wish to come and do us harm. It's a joke at best. The only thing homeland security is worried about is protecting the government cronies from us! I never thought that US citizens would be viewed as terrorist.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Both parties are equally incompetent. The entire system is broken. Are we to blame? Yes, because we don't demand that they pass laws that the majority of the people want. I'd like to know where all these polls come from that support their actions. How many hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars have been spent on the Dept. Of Homeland Security for nothing. The borders are wide open to any that wish to come and do us harm. It's a joke at best. The only thing homeland security is worried about is protecting the government cronies from us! I never thought that US citizens would be viewed as terrorist.

It's time the Congress took back the job of passing laws and stopped Obama from writing anything he likes and by-passing Congress.
If Democrats are stupid enough to allow this man who would be king to take over the job of Congress then they not only are breaking their oath they are traitors.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Bush really screwed up when he created Homeland Security.

It was created because the FBI , CIA, and other agencies refused to cooperate with each other and share information on terror threats.
Instead of forcing these agencies to work together he created a new agency.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
How many times have I read that line on this site? How many of the far right wing moron crew use that or some form of it as their signature?

On Friday evening, it took a last minute deal between Mr. Boehner and Ms. Pelosi to pass an asinine 7 day stop-gap funding measure for the DHS.

Why only a stop gap measure? Because the majority party in the House has a large enough faction that is more concerned with embarrassing or beating the current president than they are worried about the safety of the country. They are more worried about appearance than substance. They are more concerned with party than country.

National defense is supposed to be the stalwart plank in your party's platform. But with majorities in both houses, the Rs can't pass a bill to fund DHS w/o D help? This is the party that was swept into office in November clearly stating that they were going to show the country how to govern??? They can't pass funding for a dept that is at the core of their belief system?

Since Friday, there have been posts about ISIS on this board. ISIS is supposed to already be here if on listens to the fear mongers on Fox, right? ISIS is supposed to be THE threat facing this country according to the lot of you far right freaks, right? Yet, the people you want to run this country can't pass a bill to fund the agency dedicated to protecting the homeland from such a threat?

Since Friday, there have been multiple posts about a guy who was shot in Russia and sexual orientation...yet nothing about the ineptness of those you want to run the country.

You claim to be so educated and open minded...where is your outrage? Where is your moral indignation? Where is Mamatutu weeping for the future? Where is Hijinx spouting some rant based on something he thinks he read somewhere, sometime? Where are the rest of you and your govt sucks rants?

As you all like to say" you got the govt you wanted. Congrats or something.

You start with a false premise, that DHS is about the safety of the country and not just another enormous, redundant expansion of the federal bureaucracy.

When we consider the FACT that the FBI was onto Atta and company well before 9/11, with the help of the CIA before Bush even took office, and was STOPPED by the bureaucracy from stopping the 9/11 attacks by a memo, a single piece of paper (in triplicate I'll grant) then it becomes patently absurd to create the TSA, the DHS and the Patriot Act to address ONE memo.

Now, to be for sure, the GOP loves those programs as much as the D's do because they ARE more of what they do for a living, grow gummint. But, and this is the point, they are, left and right, the people WE elect and we seem to be pretty much happy with it because we don't stop voting for these people and spend a great deal of time excusing those expansions even though they were absolutely not needed and this is to say NOTHING of the effects and impacts of national policy on national security and what threats are and way. So, we DO have the gummint we want; lots and lots of it and, not to put too fine a point on it, the Speaker and Rep. Pelosi did in fact, in a charming example of bipartisan compromise and cooperative spirit, fund the DHS as they will continue to do.

So, you're point is moot because your pretext is wrong. :buddies:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Bush really screwed up when he created Homeland Security.

It was created because the FBI , CIA, and other agencies refused to cooperate with each other and share information on terror threats.
Instead of forcing these agencies to work together he created a new agency.

That is so stunningly wrong I just about spit on the monitor. You and I disagree so often because you really seem not have the first clue about what you are talking about. My god, man!!!
 
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Larry Gude

Strung Out
Both parties are equally incompetent. .

How so? If they're incompetent, why do we keep sending them back? Would we keep hiring a plumber who didn't represent what we thought we'd asked him to do? If they were incompetent we'd stop allowing what they do in our name and have it reversed and fixed. But, we don't. Because we do have the gummint we want. :buddies:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
National defense is supposed to be the stalwart plank in your party's platform. But with majorities in both houses, the Rs can't pass a bill to fund DHS w/o D help? This is the party that was swept into office in November clearly stating that they were going to show the country how to govern??? They can't pass funding for a dept that is at the core of their belief system?

Interesting! I would have thought national defense is ‘stalwart plank’ of all parties, of every American – especially since it’s a primary constitutionally-defined responsibility of our federal government. But you make it clear that the left is little interested in national security and more interested in protecting people that are in this country illegally.

Why don’t we have a discussion about the need for the DHS to begin with? This country survived for decades without a DHS. Not only should the GOP not fund it, they should start dismantling it.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
It is really simple...all that needs to happen is for the Dems in the Senate to acquiesce to the will of the majority. If the Republicans were the party of obstruction whilst they were in the minority, it seems fairly obvious that now the Dems are the party of obstruction (not that they did much whilst they were in the majority).

The will of the majority was to pass this 7 day thing. :shrug:
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Interesting! I would have thought national defense is ‘stalwart plank’ of all parties, of every American – especially since it’s a primary constitutionally-defined responsibility of our federal government. But you make it clear that the left is little interested in national security and more interested in protecting people that are in this country illegally.

Why don’t we have a discussion about the need for the DHS to begin with? This country survived for decades without a DHS. Not only should the GOP not fund it, they should start dismantling it.

Agreed, We have plenty of agencies to cover what the Homeland Security Agency does, If they cooperated with each other.
 

sparky43

New Member
How so? If they're incompetent, why do we keep sending them back? Would we keep hiring a plumber who didn't represent what we thought we'd asked him to do? If they were incompetent we'd stop allowing what they do in our name and have it reversed and fixed. But, we don't. Because we do have the gummint we want. :buddies:

They keep getting elected by telling the people what they want to hear then doing as they please with no fear of retribution. You would think people would come out in groves to vote to replace them but it never happens. Is this because the mainstream media always covers for them keeping us distracted with useless ####! It's a minute percentage of our elected representatives brought up on corruption charges that are ever removed from office. No matter what they do they take care of their own. There's so many scandals going on that it's hard to keep up with them. Most just fade and are forgotten. This administration has proved to us that we don't matter. In a few years we won't have forums like this because govt. Will control all of the internet.
 

Rommey

Well-Known Member
The will of the majority was to pass this 7 day thing. :shrug:
No, the will of the majority is for the Congress to pass legislation. Its not the will of the people to have their representatives acting like spoiled children when they don't get their way. So in this case, if the Democrats in the Senate would just vote for the funding, then there wouldn't be this 7-day-funding-discussion.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
What was the reason for creating DHS?

One of the reasons was communication between intel agencies, investigative agencies, and police forces was broken. If the CIA wanted to get intel to the FBI it had to go through all sorts of legal wranglings to get that info to them. This often stalled information and by the time it go to the other agency it had grown stale (no longer actionable). Read 'Able Danger' and how the DoD failed to get intel to the FBI when they were tracking the 911 terrorists (particularly Atta).

One of big tasks the DHS was given was to consolidate databases that collected terrorist and criminal information (criminal and terrorist tracking, photos, and fingerprints). These databases would be accessible by every federal and LE departments, and no legal loopholes to jump through. This was a huge undertaking. Many of the agencies were keeping paper records and had to scan decades worth of information to get it into these databases electronically.

I would say that this did not require creating an entirely new agency. This could have been assigned to any existing pre-911 agency (the FBI being best equipped for it). It would have required that agency be enlarged some.

But this is what we do when disaster happens. After WWII the 'National Security Act of 1947' gave birth to the Air Force, National Security Council, CIA, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. A massive expansion of government.
 
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