10 years from now CPO initiation will be long forgotten. Progress.
I still have my charge book.
another tradition bites the dust
I still have my charge book.
another tradition bites the dust
MCPON: Chief induction is not a tradition
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h3mech
Active Member
I too have my charge book and I'm sorry to say Mike Stevens work in my shop when he was a first class. the days of a real chief are long gone, I'm glad I retired in 1998, but I'm sad for my Navy
Vince
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Yep, still have mine, but I have to agree. The days of the real Chief are gone. Initiation doesn't mean anything any longer. Glad I'm retired, the New Navy would not agree with me.
SG_Player1974
New Member
#1 - NO.. I was not a chief. I was an E-6 and got out before ever taking the exam. And before all you ex-chiefs out there have something to say.... I worked side-by-side with chief petty officers for my entire career so I think I have a little experience with it.
That said... I would have to also say that I am pretty happy with this. The "Initiation" of Chief POs is nothing more than a waste of time! A body that is removed from their duty for 6-8 weeks to do extra PT and play stupid games. It might have been something in the 80s and before but, now it is just a joke and a drain on manpower.
I do not doubt that becoming a Chief Petty Officer meant a great deal about 20-30 years ago. Now, it is just a pay increase and a different color uniform.
That said... I would have to also say that I am pretty happy with this. The "Initiation" of Chief POs is nothing more than a waste of time! A body that is removed from their duty for 6-8 weeks to do extra PT and play stupid games. It might have been something in the 80s and before but, now it is just a joke and a drain on manpower.
I do not doubt that becoming a Chief Petty Officer meant a great deal about 20-30 years ago. Now, it is just a pay increase and a different color uniform.
PJumper
New Member
The "Initiation" of Chief POs is nothing more than a waste of time! A body that is removed from their duty for 6-8 weeks to do extra PT and play stupid games. (That's when First Classes, not E-6s who wants to be a Chief needs to step up to the plate)....and yes an E-6 would never understand because you've never been part of a Mess. Enough said.
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h3mech
Active Member
hear hear, as a Card carrying CPO, the little games you talked about were there to teach you things needed to be the best CPO possible, which I will not go into here, but each station at Initiation was there for you show what you have learned, my charge book is displayed with pride, also I have the first MCPON Delbert Black signature in my book and I'm very proud of that. remember if your CPO don't have a clue your JO (junior officers) will not have one either, at some point they become admirals with no clue and we lose the war, hope you like praying on a prayer run because that's what coming next. all because of no silly Initiation, sorry to my fellow chiefs for going on like this it just pisses me off how my navy is going to hell and don't start me on junior enlisted wearing my uniform shirt, but that another story.
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SG_Player1974
New Member
OH please! It may have been that way "back in the day" when you were in the chief's mess but it certainly isn't anymore. All it has become is blatant cronyism and self congratulatory BS with very few to no real leadership. It has all become "Do what I say.. not what I do!"
Please define how this "Initiation" process helps the Navy at all! How exactly does it provide a benefit? You speak of instilling leadership. Is that REALLY what it is doing? Not from what I have heard.
I actually got to work with an "E-7" and he was the best leader I ever worked for in the Navy. Couldn't say the same for the "Chiefs" I had to work for.
SG_Player1974
New Member
Funny you say that...
Recently had one (former) come in as CSS to work on the contract. I guess he thought he was still the "Chief" :shrug:
He is gone now BTW...
I had a retired Senior Chief tell me what he planned on doing, asking approval, tell me to nod north and south.
I am prior military and I laughed in his face.
Ahhh - good old PC run amok. The current American way.
That's funny. When I was coming up through the ranks and our LPO made Chief, we never noticed him gone for initiation because we were trained to survive on our own. Senior Second Classes stepped up and filled in the LPO's shoes and everyone else filled in the open slots.
Camaraderie and Teamwork.
It used to be a lot of fun. Work hard and play hard.
Yes.
CrashTest
Well-Known Member
That's one way of looking at it.
Another way of looking at it is no more wasting time and money doing stupid chit.
If they need an initiation, perhaps instead of stupid hazing, they can make the CPO selectees spend time manning the gates at Pax so traffic isn't backed up to Hollywood.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Anyone wanna explain how making initiates share sticking a dildo in their mouths makes a better navy?
