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vraiblonde

vraiblonde

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Let's say you have a good friend, or even a family member, who takes on a cause that you are completely against and feel is detrimental to your own way of life. Example: you are a devout Christian and your friend becomes a Satanist; or you are a conservative person of wealth and your friend takes up Socialist wealth redistribution causes.

Would you support them in their endeavors?

Not "would you actively oppose them" or "would you try to thwart their activities," but "would you support them"? Give 'em an atta boy, congratulations, rides to a rally, express pride in their passion, etc.

Let's say it's your adult son or daughter who does this. Think of something that is not only the complete opposite of your core belief, but actually works to destroy what you believe in. Now pretend that your son or daughter has taken up that cause. Do you support them?
 
kwillia

kwillia

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I don't. If it's a true friendship than we are able to agree to disagree and each will show each other enough respect not to expect the other to think or act differently from their core beliefs regarding whatever the topic may be.

If the above cannot be accomplished by both parties than it is simply another case of two people who have grown their separate ways and the friendship will morph into an acquaintance level relationship.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

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Let's say a dear friend was, say, Biking for Bernie (you can see it on Face Book) and this friend had always been well left of you politically yet has long been one of the people always welcome in your home, always welcome in theirs, you'd trust with your kids or money, one of the people you always want to find more time to spend with and they're supporting, say, Bernie Sanders for President by, say, biking from Colorado to DC in 14 days, solo, to raise awareness of his campaign.

Would you support them by linking to their page, offering encouragement, give them a ride to the airport when they get here, work your contacts to see if you can get them some help?

Or would you see Bernie Sanders winning the Presidency as detrimental to you in ways you don't think, say, Dubbya, was? Or Obama? Or candidate of your choice might be? And, thus, not link to their page, not want to share in the reports from the road, not offer encouragement and tell them to find another way to the airport?

I am supporting my friend. I think this is awesome what he is doing be it Bernie or Bush III or Clinton II or Rand or Warren or Christie or whomever. He's sure as hell not doing the same thing and hoping for different results.

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kwillia

kwillia

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Larry Gude said:
Would you support them by linking to their page, offering encouragement, give them a ride to the airport when they get here, work your contacts to see if you can get them some help?
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No. Linking something to my facebook page would be a form of endorsement of the subject matter I linked to not my friend. I should not be expected to endorse something that I don't agree with or believe in.

As for a ride to the airport... that would be a favor for a friend and in no way shape or form an endorsement.

As for working my contacts to get them help... again, that would be endorsement and I should not be expected to shake my connections tree for something I don't deem worthy of bugging them for.... I wouldn't do that to my connections.
 
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Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
kwillia said:
No. Linking something to my facebook page would be a form of endorsement of the subject matter I linked to not my friend. I should not be expected to endorse something that I don't agree with or believe in.

As for a ride to the airport... that would be a favor for a friend and in no way shape or form an endorsement.

As for working my contacts to get them help... again, that would be endorsement and I should not be expected to shake my connections tree for something I don't deem worthy of bugging them for.... I wouldn't do that to my connections.
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You honestly think Bernie Sanders as President would be detrimental to you over Dubbya or Obama or any of the current leaders? If so, fair enough. Disagreement.
 
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inkah

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vraiblonde said:
Let's say you have a good friend, or even a family member, who takes on a cause that you are completely against and feel is detrimental to your own way of life. Example: you are a devout Christian and your friend becomes a Satanist; or you are a conservative person of wealth and your friend takes up Socialist wealth redistribution causes.

Would you support them in their endeavors?

Not "would you actively oppose them" or "would you try to thwart their activities," but "would you support them"? Give 'em an atta boy, congratulations, rides to a rally, express pride in their passion, etc.

Let's say it's your adult son or daughter who does this. Think of something that is not only the complete opposite of your core belief, but actually works to destroy what you believe in. Now pretend that your son or daughter has taken up that cause. Do you support them?
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I would support the child, but not their endeavors. I would also take the time to engage in conversations regarding the endeavor I oppose and attempt them to sway them "my" way. Nothing wrong with healthy discussion - even debate. If they were actively recruiting, say, younger children, I would absolutely insist it stop. If they were actively recruiting other adults, I wouldn't mind sharing opposing viewpoints as often as possible. I strongly believe you can love a person, support their well-being and still hate what they do.
 
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Smith

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vraiblonde said:
Let's say you have a good friend, or even a family member, who takes on a cause that you are completely against and feel is detrimental to your own way of life. Example: you are a devout Christian and your friend becomes a Satanist; or you are a conservative person of wealth and your friend takes up Socialist wealth redistribution causes.

Would you support them in their endeavors?

Not "would you actively oppose them" or "would you try to thwart their activities," but "would you support them"? Give 'em an atta boy, congratulations, rides to a rally, express pride in their passion, etc.

Let's say it's your adult son or daughter who does this. Think of something that is not only the complete opposite of your core belief, but actually works to destroy what you believe in. Now pretend that your son or daughter has taken up that cause. Do you support them?
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First, I would ask myself how this happened, if it were my son or daughter. After spending 20+ years instilling my values and beliefs to my children, what happened to turn them against our family values. My guess is that this transformation happened while they were attending college (indoctrination mill). I have seen this happen to friends and it is sad, but I can't image how tough it would be with my own kids.
 
Lurk

Lurk

Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
Larry Gude said:
You honestly think Bernie Sanders as President would be detrimental to you over Dubbya or Obama or any of the current leaders? If so, fair enough. Disagreement.
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Actually, what would be detrimental to you and your reputation would be the fact that FACEBOOK now shows that you support (or are even remotely interested in) Socialist political thought. (As I think of it, maybe that's a correct assumption based on some of your posts.........j/k). FACEBOOK algorithms now place you in a certain political demographic you might not want ANYONE to think you belong.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Lurk said:
Actually, what would be detrimental to you and your reputation would be the fact that FACEBOOK now shows that you support (or are even remotely interested in) Socialist political thought. (As I think of it, maybe that's a correct assumption based on some of your posts.........j/k). FACEBOOK algorithms now place you in a certain political demographic you might not want ANYONE to think you belong.
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Objectivley, my support of Dubbya proves I am ok with socialism.
 
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Hodr

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Smith said:
My guess is that this transformation happened while they were attending college (indoctrination mill). I have seen this happen to friends and it is sad, but I can't image how tough it would be with my own kids.
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My guess is that you didn't go to college if you think of it as an indoctrination mill. Sure, you send a Redneck to Berkeley and he is going to get an earful of stuff he didn't hear growing up, but the same could be said for sending a Valley Girl going to Texas A&M.

Pick a school that aligns with your values, and you won't have a problem. Or just avoid the overtly political schools.

That said, I went to a "liberal" college in California, and I can think of only one course that had any cultural/political bias whatsoever. And that was a general ed. course called "perspectives on gender" (basically men are the devil). I chose that course because it was the only one that fit my schedule and met the capstone requirement, and I knew going in what to expect. I got an A and I can honestly say I don't remember a thing I "learned" in that class and it has had zero impact on my perspective or my life.

The thing is, unlike gradeschool you get to choose your own path in college. You can be studious and spend your time in class/library, or you can ditch class and go to rally's and parties all day. And if you're afraid your child will choose the later, then maybe the issue isn't the school but how you raised 'em.
 
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