Local Medical Kidnapping???

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musiclady

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Bann

Bann

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From what I can see - all the links are to websites and articles written with a bias in favor of the father and mother. (or a regurgitation of the story from another site)

It's really not possible to know for sure what is truth and not truth because the website Medical Kidnap is obviously biased, as well.

There are not enough known facts about this case to really make a lot of comments one way or another.

One observation I make is that the parents, having had their TWO children taken away have made another baby, which will be taken away from them as well. That's odd, and I would think they would be so focused on re-gaining custody of the two children they do not have custody of rather than have another child which will be taken away.
 
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Or, they are being a normal loving couple and this thing has utterly spiraled and, being innocent (both of the crime and the way the system works), they never in a million years imagined it would get to this point?

I don't know, but the possibilities are endless.

For me, it isn't as much about deciding if the couple is innocent. It is more about wondering why this child is being refused proper medical care by the so-called "professionals". In fact, the case raises so many questions, that it seems more people should be wondering if the system and the people running it aren't abusing the child.
 
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MMDad

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Since the only witness to what really happened is a toddler, it comes down to what the evidence shows vs. the credibility of the father. It is evident that the doctors thought something was wrong and called the cops. They sent it to the prosecutor. Social Services has met with all involved. The judges in both the criminal and custody cases have not found the father's story to be credible.

If the kid really did have brittle bones, then why haven't there been additional injuries in the year since this incident happened?

As for "being refused proper medical care by the so-called professionals" I don't buy it. The father is grasping at straws hoping to get out of a prison sentence. No medical care has been denied. They want to get the testing done? The court said they need to have the child's doctor talk to the testing doctor first. Easy.
 
Bann

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inkah said:
Or, they are being a normal loving couple and this thing has utterly spiraled and, being innocent (both of the crime and the way the system works), they never in a million years imagined it would get to this point?

I don't know, but the possibilities are endless.

For me, it isn't as much about deciding if the couple is innocent. It is more about wondering why this child is being refused proper medical care by the so-called "professionals". In fact, the case raises so many questions, that it seems more people should be wondering if the system and the people running it aren't abusing the child.
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I don't know these people personally - do you? Do you know for a fact the child is being denied medical care?

There are too many unknowns. I do not automatically believe the couple is innocent, AND I question the biased nature of the articles I've seen so far.
 
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Bann

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Looking around the "Medical Kidnap" website, I found that this website is only one of The Health Impact News Network.

Health Impact News
Medical Kidnap
Vaccine Impact
Coconut Health
Created4Health.org

ALL 5 of these sites are connected and owned by Brian and Marianita Shilhavy

With all due respect, Brian seems like a quack. He is an "anti-vaccine" nuttie and is trying to attribute the broken bones in a 2 month old infant to a "brittle bones syndrome"

He has no medical background.
Brian W. Shilhavy, BA, MA
Brian earned his Bachelor of Arts degree in Bible/Greek from Moody Bible Institute in Chicago, and his Master of Arts degree in linguistics from Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago. - See more at: http://created4health.org/about-us/#sthash.aevYLvxk.dpuf
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I don't trust ANYone like this. He is a quack-a-doodle and the stories on his website about parents wrongfully accused of child abuse are all suspect.
 
Bann

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From an article on somdnews.com in May, 2015:

A psychologist’s report to the family court last summer states that the children’s mother, Justine Gibbs, “needed to recognize” that her husband may have hurt the girl during spontaneous “losses of control.” Reynold Gibbs suspects that wording could be used to turn his wife against him in the criminal case, out of fear that she might otherwise lose custody of her children forever. She was subpoenaed as a witness for the state when the criminal case originally was scheduled for trial last November.

Reynold Gibbs took the girl to MedStar St. Mary’s Hospital on April 16, 2014, because of a possible injury to her left leg, according to original charging papers filed in district court, which state that a preliminary examination found fractures to her left tibia and right femur, five broken ribs, apparent trauma to her abdomen and neck, and apparent bruising to her left thigh and her face.
In a 10 week old infant?!!
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During the ensuing police investigation, Reynold Gibbs agreed to meet later that week with detectives at the sheriff’s office, where the charging papers state that Gibbs said “the child’s injuries ... must have occurred when he put the child in her swing after a feeding. He stated he had ‘pushed down too hard’ when placing the child in the seat.”

Gibbs said this week that his statement was in response to the initial description of the injuries, which he said later was revised to indicate that fewer injuries actually had occurred.

“I did not in any shape or form, accidentally or intentionally, abuse Noel, my daughter,” Gibbs said. “That statement was not a confession of any kind. I was not angry. I did not abuse her.”
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http://www.somdnews.com/article/20150522/NEWS/150529623/1044&source=RSS&template=gazette
 
Bann

Bann

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I have apparently reached my maximum number of free articles in a search on somdnews.com. I'm definitely not going to pay for an online subscription. WTF.

Anyhoo, I did find this on the site from April, 2014 (soon after the baby was taken to the hospital):

by John Wharton Staff writer
A Lexington Park man, charged last Thursday with child abuse after he brought his injured 10-week-old daughter into a hospital, told police that he must have “pushed down too hard,” court papers state, when putting her in the seat of her swing.

A judge ordered Friday that Reynold Obrien Gibbs, 27, remain in jail in lieu of $75,000 bond on the charge of first-degree child abuse causing severe physical injury, and committing a first-degree assault on the infant at their Town Creek Manor area residence.
Gibbs brought the baby last Wednesday, April 16, to MedStar St. Mary’s Hospital, because of a possible injury to her left leg, court papers state, and an examination found fractures to her left tibia and right femur, five broken ribs, apparent trauma to her abdomen and neck, and apparent bruising to her left thigh and her face.

“It was determined the injuries were resultant from blunt force beyond anything normally associated with the care and handling of an infant,” according to a statement of probable cause filed by St. Mary’s sheriff’s detective Elizabeth Croyle.

The baby is still in hospital care, detective Capt. Terry Black said this week.

During the ensuing police investigation, court papers state, Gibbs agreed to meet detectives at the sheriff’s office, where he was questioned about his care of the baby the night before he brought her to the hospital. He was cooperative,” Black said.

Gibbs told police that he was at home with the baby, and that the only other people there were the child’s grandmother, who was sleeping in a downstairs bedroom, and the baby’s 17-month-old sibling, according to charging papers.

“We believe the mother was at work,” the captain said.

During questioning, charging papers state, “The defendant [stated] the child’s injuries ... must have occurred when he put the child in her swing after a feeding. He stated he had ‘pushed down too hard’ when placing the child in the seat.”

Gibbs was feeding the baby again about an hour later, according to his account in the charging papers, “when he noticed the child’s left leg hanging limp, [and] he elected to take her to the hospital.”
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http://www.somdnews.com/article/20140423/NEWS/140429800&template=southernMaryland
 
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inkah

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Bann said:
From an article on somdnews.com in May, 2015:




http://www.somdnews.com/article/20150522/NEWS/150529623/1044&source=RSS&template=gazette
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To your first post - follow up reports have said the initial assessment was wrong. A hospital got it wrong. Is this normal? These are the medical professionals - how did they get it wrong? Do we give to much credence to so-called professionals? And really, why doesn't it matter that after all this time, the child hasn't been professionally evaluated by the specialist? Blaming the dad seems like an easy way out here.

Baby hasn't been seen by a specialist.
"Abuse specialist" has refused to consult with the EDS specialist - reportedly because she doesn't have to comply with the court order - any other justifiable reason?
Dad was reportedly issued a gag order for attempting to defend himself to the public and the press
Mom is reportedly being pressured to LIE
CPS reportedly benefits financially for quickly adopting out these viable kids (will the child still be as adoptable if she has a serious disease like EDS?)
Supporters (extremely respectful and well-behaved people) have been refused access to typically public proceedings

Honestly, I don't know the answers to these questions, but they seem worth asking.

WHAT IF the dad is innocent? Is there even a possibility? Is the possibility being as actively pursued as the dad's guilt?

I don't know any of these people personally. But I do know people with EDS. And I do know that professionals sometimes get it wrong or even outright lie.
 
Bann

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Inkah, no disrespect toward you, but I think you have an agenda simply by the way you presented this topic in your OP, and by the way you seem inclined to debate.

Anyway, CPS is supposed to err on the side of the child. That is what they are set up to do. Yes, we all know instances of abuse of powers and the "Nannie state" assuming more power than they should have, etc. We also know of cases where a child has slipped thru the cracks and we've all seen how badly that can turn out.

However, more times than not, I think the system works. And we should want that erring on the side of caution to be with the child in need of assistance.

There are facts in this case we do not know and are not privvy to. The artices and information available in the media cannot possibly contain all the facts, because in these cases the innocents and some details are protected. (As it should be) The only facts WE are privvy to are the facts already in the public records...and the information given to the media by the parents or their friends and associates.

I stand by my original comments. There is something fishy about it all. I doubt the state took away those 2 children from BOTH parents without justification. I do not think this is one of those times the state has overstepped it's bounds.

I will stay tuned to see how the case plays out.
 
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Bann said:
From what I can see - all the links are to websites and articles written with a bias in favor of the father and mother. (or a regurgitation of the story from another site)

It's really not possible to know for sure what is truth and not truth because the website Medical Kidnap is obviously biased, as well.

There are not enough known facts about this case to really make a lot of comments one way or another.

One observation I make is that the parents, having had their TWO children taken away have made another baby, which will be taken away from them as well. That's odd, and I would think they would be so focused on re-gaining custody of the two children they do not have custody of rather than have another child which will be taken away.
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is it really a bias or does it not fit your preconception of what the story should be?
I have a bias against liberals, those that are out to save us from ourselves because they simply know what's best for all of us. Social service workers tend to be cut from the same cloth.
You know what else liberals can't do, they can't admit they were wrong, that they may have made a mistake.
 
Bann

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BernieP said:
is it really a bias or does it not fit your preconception of what the story should be?
I have a bias against liberals, those that are out to save us from ourselves because they simply know what's best for all of us. Social service workers tend to be cut from the same cloth.
You know what else liberals can't do, they can't admit they were wrong, that they may have made a mistake.
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I have no preconception of what the story should be. I only heard about this story for the first time yesterday morning when I read it on here. I have no bias or dog in the fight.

You are correct in what you say about the liberals and/or social service workers. However the OP asked the posters of this forum for their opinions of the case, and I say that based on the facts we KNOW, i.e., public records:
Reynold Gibbs took the girl to MedStar St. Mary’s Hospital on April 16, 2014, because of a possible injury to her left leg, according to original charging papers filed in district court, which state that a preliminary examination found fractures to her left tibia and right femur, five broken ribs, apparent trauma to her abdomen and neck, and apparent bruising to her left thigh and her face.

During the ensuing police investigation, Reynold Gibbs agreed to meet later that week with detectives at the sheriff’s office, where the charging papers state that Gibbs said “the child’s injuries ... must have occurred when he put the child in her swing after a feeding. He stated he had ‘pushed down too hard’ when placing the child in the seat.”

Gibbs said this week that his statement was in response to the initial description of the injuries, which he said later was revised to indicate that fewer injuries actually had occurred.
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Based on the statements here, the initial description of the injuries was revised. What does that mean, exactly? How many of those injuries would seem "less" severe enough to remove the child from the home? Does it matter if it was 1 broken bone or 3? It was a 10 week old infant child. 2 months and 2 weeks old.

According to the information given in the 2 credible news articles that I have read (by John Wharton, Staff Writer somdnews.com) those injuries were such that the father is highly suspect, and the CPS was right in removing this child from the home. I would rather see them err on the side of the child.

Like I said before, I will stay tuned to see how it plays out.
 
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inkah said:
To your first post - follow up reports have said the initial assessment was wrong. A hospital got it wrong. Is this normal? These are the medical professionals - how did they get it wrong? Do we give to much credence to so-called professionals? And really, why doesn't it matter that after all this time, the child hasn't been professionally evaluated by the specialist? Blaming the dad seems like an easy way out here.

Baby hasn't been seen by a specialist.
"Abuse specialist" has refused to consult with the EDS specialist - reportedly because she doesn't have to comply with the court order - any other justifiable reason?
Dad was reportedly issued a gag order for attempting to defend himself to the public and the press
Mom is reportedly being pressured to LIE
CPS reportedly benefits financially for quickly adopting out these viable kids (will the child still be as adoptable if she has a serious disease like EDS?)
Supporters (extremely respectful and well-behaved people) have been refused access to typically public proceedings

Honestly, I don't know the answers to these questions, but they seem worth asking.

WHAT IF the dad is innocent? Is there even a possibility? Is the possibility being as actively pursued as the dad's guilt?

I don't know any of these people personally. But I do know people with EDS. And I do know that professionals sometimes get it wrong or even outright lie.
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Here is a question I have. It seems since this child was in dad's care, it endured several injuries. Dad explains a disease the child has. Since the child is no longer in dad's care, how many injuries has it sustained?
 
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inkah

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Bann said:
Inkah, no disrespect toward you, but I think you have an agenda simply by the way you presented this topic in your OP, and by the way you seem inclined to debate.

Anyway, CPS is supposed to err on the side of the child. That is what they are set up to do. Yes, we all know instances of abuse of powers and the "Nannie state" assuming more power than they should have, etc. We also know of cases where a child has slipped thru the cracks and we've all seen how badly that can turn out.

However, more times than not, I think the system works. And we should want that erring on the side of caution to be with the child in need of assistance.

There are facts in this case we do not know and are not privvy to. The artices and information available in the media cannot possibly contain all the facts, because in these cases the innocents and some details are protected. (As it should be) The only facts WE are privvy to are the facts already in the public records...and the information given to the media by the parents or their friends and associates.

I stand by my original comments. There is something fishy about it all. I doubt the state took away those 2 children from BOTH parents without justification. I do not think this is one of those times the state has overstepped it's bounds.

I will stay tuned to see how the case plays out.
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hahaha

I was curious to see if anyone could think of some rationale for NOT getting that baby the proper medical care needed to determine if there are medical reasons for all those broken bones. So far, I haven't seen anyone offer anything that makes all the questions I have go away. The "other side" however, has presented (in my non-legal, non-medical, non-anything opinion) some seriously compelling questions that give me huge personal pause. And even make me suspect the "professionals" (which, admittedly, is easy for me :). I am personally highly skeptical of lots of folks - particularly church folk claiming to be innocent b/c they are church folk. And I have always had a sore spot for people who will stick up for another simply b/c they are related or friends. And that is probably partly why this case bothers me so much. It seems so easy a thing to allow a child to be seen by the right medical professionals. WHY ON EARTH ISN"T IT HAPPENING??? Yeah, I find that HUGELY disturbing. Especially since I do know how awful EDS can be. You are telling me that taking the kid from the parents is the right thing. Ok. Now what? Someone seems to be dropping the ball on getting this baby the medical care it needs. And it doesn't make sense.

Your inputs have helped - thanks.
 
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