Does anyone have experience with a UPS?

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Chuckt

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Does anyone have experience with uninterruptible power supplies?
Can you tell me how they work or how well they work?
Can anyone recommend a UPS for computer and other components?
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
You just plug it in between the wall and your computer. The cheap ones don't work very well at all. I just have my tower and monitor plugged into the battery ports. I just want enough time to save whatever I have open and shut down if there is a major outage.

A good UPS also does a nice job filtering out power fluctuations that can be cause by inductive loads such as your air conditioner or microwave coming on/off.

One worth buying is going to cost over $100, the cheaper ones just aren't worth buying. Finally the batteries inside them need replaced about every two years.

Here is about the cheapest one I would consider buying http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842111467
 
There are different kinds of UPS.

There are standby UPS, which pass the 120vac thru with a little filtering, and kick over to battery supplied 12vdc converted to 120vac when the power fails. Changeover time is in the millisecond range.

There are active UPS, which convert 120vac to 12vdc to charge the battery, then convert 12vdc back to a filtered 120vac. You're always running on filtered, smooth power regardless of the input to the UPS.

UPS are really not designed to be a replacement for failed power, but rather a temporary continuation of power to allow you to close out and shut down under control to avoid power surges and spikes that can ruin hardware.
 
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Chuckt

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One worth buying is going to cost over $100, the cheaper ones just aren't worth buying. Finally the batteries inside them need replaced about every two years.

Here is about the cheapest one I would consider buying http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842111467

Thank you. It is interesting that you said that because I bought one from Micro Center and it never switched over when we turned the power off. It was a cheap one but I don't keep equipment that doesn't work so I returned it.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
You take your gaming seriously, or is it the porn?


Gaming ... that unit will run a bunch of computers


it used to reside in the bottom of my LAN Rack ... protecting 8 Servers

... now it is in the cave protecting;

$ 3k Gaming PC,
a Mac Mini,
24 inch iMac,
32 inch TV ...
Dell 2900 III [Torrent Box]
Dell G110
Mac Powerbook G3 500
NEXT PC [slab]
Power Mac 6500
Commodore 64 [because you know that 4 mhz processor is a power hog]

a host of other hardware ...
 
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Chuckt

Guest
Commodore 64 [because you know that 4 mhz processor is a power hog]

a host of other hardware ...

It is 1 MHZ. There are actually three power supplies in some of these bricks that some Commodore computers use.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
It is 1 MHZ. There are actually three power supplies in some of these bricks that some Commodore computers use.

:yay:

ok you made me look it up ....
correct 1.023 mhz

the Z80 in my Commodore 128 was 4 mhz as is my Osbourne Executive
our 1st Mac's were 8 Mhz
my Mattel Intellivision was .8 mhz
the 8088 ran at 4.77


my mistake, I must have been thinking about CP/M and the Z80
 

GopherM

Darwin was right
Does anyone have experience with uninterruptible power supplies?
Can you tell me how they work or how well they work?
Can anyone recommend a UPS for computer and other components?

To clarify how they work...basically you run constantly off of the batteries in the UPS so whatever is plugged in is pretty much protected from line surges or anything that might damage the plugged in devices. The line (household power) comes into the UPS to keep the batteries charged and the batteries feed an inverter that convert the power back into AC. If the power goes out you are already on battery power so you just keep running. Of course they are designed to basically give you a little run time to shut things down and not lose anything that was in progress when the power failed...if you are using a basic UPS. The batteries are only good for so many years and when they start failing it is usually cheaper to buy an entire new UPS than to replace the batteries.

Staples, BJs, Sams, and Costco all carry them locally.
 

Concern4Calvert

New Member
Does anyone have experience with uninterruptible power supplies?
Can you tell me how they work or how well they work?
Can anyone recommend a UPS for computer and other components?

They're handy for short term outages. To me it seems like the batteries go bad and need replacing sooner rather than later. If you don't replace the batteries as needed eventually they dont provide enough redundancy time to allow the computer to properly shutdown
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
Gaming ... that unit will run a bunch of computers


it used to reside in the bottom of my LAN Rack ... protecting 8 Servers

... now it is in the cave protecting;

$ 3k Gaming PC,
a Mac Mini,
24 inch iMac,
32 inch TV ...
Dell 2900 III [Torrent Box]
Dell G110
Mac Powerbook G3 500
NEXT PC [slab]
Power Mac 6500
Commodore 64 [because you know that 4 mhz processor is a power hog]

a host of other hardware ...


didnt you say you lived with your mom?

:shrug:

and your point was what exactly

:killingme
 
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Hodr

Guest
The batteries are only good for so many years and when they start failing it is usually cheaper to buy an entire new UPS than to replace the batteries.

I ran this cycle for years before I got wise. Buy an expensive UPS, UPS burns out the battery because they can't stick a $0.30 IC in there to intelligently charge the battery (proper float voltage range, -dv detection, proper charge rate based on battery chemistry/Ah), buy expensive battery, then UPS circuitry dies. All the while the thing is only good for a couple of minutes despite the fact that the VA rating is multiple times your expected draw*PF.

Then one day I came across an old UPS for a server rack. No bells and whistles (auto shutoff for computers, etc.), but it would support a large lead acid battery bank and provided a true sign wave output (or at least claimed to).

I bought the four cheapest marine batteries at walmart (system was 48v), threw a desulfator inline with the charge circuit (no idea if they really work, but why not) and the thing has been rocking for 9 years and can support my wimpy gaming rig, monitor, cable modem, and router for longer than I have ever had the opportunity to test (2 day power outage was the worst I believe).

Total cost was maybe $150.
 
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