The Single Most Important Step.....

[nhboy]

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[Hijinx]

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bullsh!t

 

[Gilligan]

The climate is changing? How is it changing? Exactly.

Barry is interested in one thing and one thing only..the degradation of the US relative to other countries. This is a big step in that direction.

Fortunately, he'll be gone soon and his crap will be reversible.


http://www.manufacturing.net/news/2015/08/epa-rule-may-threaten-jobs-economy?et_cid=4711250&et_rid=45595864&type=cta

 

[Hijinx]

In a country with vast reserves and resources of coal and people who depend on that coal for the food in their mouth .
With coal and other fossil fuels being the safest and most economical way to produce electricity, other than hydro-electric power.

How much sense does it make to shut them down?

 

[GURPS]

throw another ton of coal on the fire, it is going to be cold in 2020

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Here's the "fact" sheet:

http://www.eenews.net/assets/2015/08/02/document_gw_01.pdf

Provide significant public health benefits – The Clean Power Plan, and other policies put in place to drive a cleaner energy sector, will reduce premature deaths from power plant emissions by nearly 90 percent in 2030 compared to 2005 and decrease the pollutants that contribute to the soot and smog and can lead to more asthma attacks in kids by more than 70 percent. The Clean Power Plan will also avoid up to 3,600 premature deaths, lead to 90,000 fewer asthma attacks in children, and prevent 300,000 missed work and school days.

Greenhouse gases being reduced won't have an effect on this. Reducing particulate emissions would, but not things like CO2 (which the fact sheet mentioned in the paragraph before the quote above).

The EPA already targets those particulate emissions.

Create tens of thousands of jobs while ensuring grid reliability

It could, and it will likely end up getting rid of hundreds of thousands of jobs, and considering the huge capital cost of implementing these control measures, it's hard to believe the net job impact will be positive.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract--id=1358423

Then to say it will all happen “while ensuring grid reliability” is laughable.

The plan requires a large portion of power to be from renewable resources (wind, solar, etc.), which the North American Electricity Reliability Corporation says actually reduces grid reliability.

http://www.nerc.com/pa/RAPA/ra/Reliability Assessments DL/NERC-CAISO_VG_Assessment_Final.pdf

Drive more aggressive investment in clean energy technologies than the proposed rule,
resulting in 30 percent more renewable energy generation in 2030 and continuing to lower the
costs of renewable energy.

Sounds all fine and dandy, and ignoring the fact that innovation will likely be stifled regarding newer technologies that actually offer a much bigger benefit to citizens, those renewable resources are simply not able to produce the continuous power needed.

Wind blows at speeds that vary considerably, leading to wide variations in power output at different times and in different locations. To address this variability, power supply companies must install backup capacity, which kicks in when demand exceeds supply from the wind turbines; failure to do so will adversely affect grid reliability. The need for this backup capacity significantly increases the cost of producing power from wind. Since backup power in most cases comes from fossil fuel generators, this effectively limits the carbon-reducing potential of new wind capacity.

http://reason.org/files/thelimitsofwindpower.pdf

Right now, solar and wind make up for 5% of electricity generation. The Clean Power Plan calls for that number to be 28% by 2030.

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

Save the average American family nearly $85 on their annual energy bill in 2030, reducing
enough energy to power 30 million homes, and save consumers a total of $155 billion from
2020-2030;

This talking point assumes that folks will install energy saving items. But, the massive cost the utilities will have to be passed along to the consumers and most likely folks become more frugal in their energy usage because their bills will be higher. "Saving" them money is a play on words.

Give a head start to wind and solar deployment and prioritize the deployment of energy
efficiency improvements in low-income communities that need it most early in the program
through a Clean Energy Incentive Program; and

Low income people tend to spend more of their income on energy.

http://www.bls.gov/cex/2010/Standard/quintile.pdf

Now, factor in higher energy costs and this plan will affect those same low-income communities this plan sought to protect. Just another example of the federal govt. not being the best way to stimulate growth or innovation.

Continue American leadership on climate change by keeping us on track to meet the economywide
emissions targets we have set, including the goal of reducing emissions to 17 percent
below 2005 levels by 2020 and to 26-28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025.

Co2 emissions have been falling in the US because of the switch to natural gas in lieu of coal.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527106/how-and-why-us-greenhouse-gas-emissions-are-falling/

Instead of riding that trend, this plan requires states to focus on reneweable and nuclear power.