McCarthy withdraws from speaker race, vote postponed
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PsyOps
Pixelated
Both parties are in such chaos that it makes it hard to know which will self-destruct more than the other.
This_person
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I wonder if that has ever been adjudicated to be true. I'd never considered that a possibility before, either, but Article One Section Two is not really specific. The implication of the very first sentence of that Section ("...Shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people...") could be used to imply the speaker, as a member of the House, must be a Representative. But, the very last sentence of the Section ("The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker...") doesn't explicitly require the Speaker be a member.
Interesting thought, for sure.
I'd vote for Newt.
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tuffenuff2
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http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/08/d...ia-pages-of-kevin-mccarthy-and-renee-ellmers/
When somebody withdraws as quickly as he did there is normally something or someone behind it.
When somebody withdraws as quickly as he did there is normally something or someone behind it.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Tom Delay!
I see what you're doing here.
I heard this morning they are trying to pull Newt in.
I see what you're doing here.
I heard this morning they are trying to pull Newt in.
I heard that, too. I don't think he would be a bad choice, they could do worse than Newt. :shrug:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
It will be interesting to see how they perceive themselves in whom they choose. They've got minorities. They've got female minorities.
This_person
Well-Known Member
I don't think they should pick someone based on race or sex. They should pick them based on ideology and leadership capabilities.
That said, it would be interesting to see how it would go with a failed Democrat Speaker presiding over a predominantly Republican House. Maybe they should let the vote go, and let Nancy win. What could be better to show bipartisanship?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I think they should pick someone based on politics. Can you imagine how easy life would be for them if they chose Mia Love as Speaker?
This_person
Well-Known Member
If she has any ability to lead, I would be all for it. I like her ideology.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
What are you basing a need for leadership ability on? It's not a requirement.
This_person
Well-Known Member
Larry Gude
Strung Out
As has been proven over and again. Just a stray hope, I guess.
Ok but leadership for what?
She'd have enormous power to begin with. Hitler had great leadership qualities. So, to do what? I'd rather the house as a bunch of individuals voting their constituents instead of this party line, lockstep 'leadership' crap.
This_person
Well-Known Member
Leadership to affect positive change. "Lockstep" is not the goal, but consensus, in my humble opinion, should be. Part of leadership is explaining - to the point of converting the opposition - why your position is the best one for the circumstances. I do not think members should vote based on party, but on believing they're voting for the best interest of (first) their country and (second) their constituency. The vast majority of the time, those should be the same thing.
Regardless of which party is in the lead, there MUST be consideration given that a significant portion of the population believes something else. Where possible and appropriate, their needs should also be considered. Leadership helps the opposition vote your way, and your friends vote for things that help the opposition position - all at the same time.
Leadership is also the ability to persuade the population that they should have confidence in you to be able to handle the things I'm describing. One of the reasons I don't like Trump is the braggadocio. NO ONE is as good as he claims to be, and I would reflexively not enter into a deal with the guy based on how he acts, so I have no idea from where is reputation as a negotiator comes.
This is one reason why I would support Paul Ryan. I believed he should be the running mate because I wanted to vote for him for Pres after 8 years. He has the knowledge, the skills of persuasion, and the modesty to do the job well, I think.