Carly Fiorina Ends Bid

vraiblonde

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I don't imagine Trump. I wonder who her supporters will flock to.

It makes sense that they would flock to Trump because he's her fellow businessperson and they keep saying they like her because she's not one of the politicians.
 

PsyOps

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It makes sense that they would flock to Trump because he's her fellow businessperson and they keep saying they like her because she's not one of the politicians.

It makes sense considering they both are 'outsiders'. I just wonder how much Fiorina fans will harbor anger at Trump for his comments on her looks.
 

vraiblonde

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It makes sense considering they both are 'outsiders'. I just wonder how much Fiorina fans will harbor anger at Trump for his comments on her looks.

If Carly's fans are that sensitive and easily offended, I hope they go jump off a bridge and don't vote in our elections.
 

Hijinx

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It makes sense that they would flock to Trump because he's her fellow businessperson and they keep saying they like her because she's not one of the politicians.

I don't think Carly has a flock of fans as such. She may have had a few people who could support her, but none of them are die hard Carly voters, that she could pass on to someone else with an endorsement.I don't think her fan base will make much difference in the long run.
 

SamSpade

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You know, it almost seems as though - logically - if a candidate drops out, at least some of the other ones would get a bump, as voters shift their preference.

Does that actually happen?

Something else I've been noticing - actually, most of my life - and that is that voters want to vote for someone who has a chance at winning. They like to vote their conscience, but they also want to vote for someone who actually has a chance of winning, and when a long shot candidate starts putting up numbers - the support rolls in. For a while at least. Invariably the press finds a way to shoot them full of holes until the wave of support fails, and they become a passing fad.

Some candidates pull it off - Perot, Sanders etc. They tap into something, and voters like them, and stick with them. Sanders seems to be the beneficiary of opposing someone that even her own supporters don't really like. Hillary is disliked even by Democrats, even by the President, and as far as political astuteness - she's terrible. She is completely lacking in any charisma, she almost categorically gives awful responses to simple questions - unlike her husband - she inspires no one. People are aching for an alternative, but until Sanders got a little traction, no one was jumping ship. Why?

Because of the perception that - "he can't win". People want a winner.

PART of it is simple pragmatism. People don't want to "waste" their vote. You can vote for Kiki Stinkertoes to make a statement, but if you want to make a DIFFERENCE, you vote for an alternative THAT CAN WIN. Bernie has people convinced. I'm guessing that in the next few months, we're going to see more wins - and more at large candidates backing Hillary ANYWAY.

I'm sort of fearing that what will happen with the Republicans is that after the also-rans fall away, people will want to "bet" on a winner. And the party will coalesce around a favorite. Right now it's Rubio. I'm still thinking they want Jeb.
 

Hijinx

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You know, it almost seems as though - logically - if a candidate drops out, at least some of the other ones would get a bump, as voters shift their preference.

Does that actually happen?

Something else I've been noticing - actually, most of my life - and that is that voters want to vote for someone who has a chance at winning. They like to vote their conscience, but they also want to vote for someone who actually has a chance of winning, and when a long shot candidate starts putting up numbers - the support rolls in. For a while at least. Invariably the press finds a way to shoot them full of holes until the wave of support fails, and they become a passing fad.

Some candidates pull it off - Perot, Sanders etc. They tap into something, and voters like them, and stick with them. Sanders seems to be the beneficiary of opposing someone that even her own supporters don't really like. Hillary is disliked even by Democrats, even by the President, and as far as political astuteness - she's terrible. She is completely lacking in any charisma, she almost categorically gives awful responses to simple questions - unlike her husband - she inspires no one. People are aching for an alternative, but until Sanders got a little traction, no one was jumping ship. Why?

Because of the perception that - "he can't win". People want a winner.

PART of it is simple pragmatism. People don't want to "waste" their vote. You can vote for Kiki Stinkertoes to make a statement, but if you want to make a DIFFERENCE, you vote for an alternative THAT CAN WIN. Bernie has people convinced. I'm guessing that in the next few months, we're going to see more wins - and more at large candidates backing Hillary ANYWAY.

I'm sort of fearing that what will happen with the Republicans is that after the also-rans fall away, people will want to "bet" on a winner. And the party will coalesce around a favorite. Right now it's Rubio. I'm still thinking they want Jeb.

My perception of Bernie and Hillary is that Hillary was so ingrained in the Democrats minds that she would automatically get the nod.
Every other potential candidate was frightened of her money and power.

Bernie was an Independent. He never had anything in his life, He still owns nothing as far as I can find out. He didn't have anything to lose.
So he became a Democrat and ran.

Hillary was just so bad that Democrats who are fed up with her went for Bernie.
They would have gone for just about anyone who opposed her, but no one had the balls to do so.
So now they are stuck with an old socialist who was a really bad carpenter who got elected Mayor of Burlington 3 times and ran that into the House of representatives.
 

vraiblonde

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People want a winner.

I agree with your whole post. People are pack animals and like to be part of a group, so they follow the crowd. Many times mindlessly.

My favored candidate, on the other hand, almost never wins. So I think I'm going to go all out for Hillary just so she'll lose.
 

SamSpade

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I agree with your whole post. People are pack animals and like to be part of a group, so they follow the crowd. Many times mindlessly.

That's part of it. But it's also true they don't want to "waste" their vote. I once saw Gary Johnson on "Red Eye" receiving condolences after losing in 2012, and he said something like "yeah, I really thought we had a good chance this time around" to chuckles around the table. They laughed because of something we all know - these dark horse candidates do not run because they think they have the tiniest chance of winning. They don't even run because they think they'll siphon votes off of someone they want to lose.

They're just making a point. You know my phrase I use. Make a point, or make a difference. He knows he's not going to make a difference. Even suggesting it is funny.

But what if Gary started really gaining traction in the polls this time around? What if he started polling over 10% in the national election? THEN people vote not because they're pack animals, but because now there's a chance their dark horse wannabe might actually WIN. THEN their vote isn't wasted. Casting a vote for Gary would no longer be just making a political point.

Of course, what WOULD happen is, the press would pound the crap out of him like nobody's business.

If there's any single reason for me to like Trump, is that he is VERY good at manipulating the press. He's gotten free advertising from them. He's living rent-free in their heads, and it costs nothing. He REFUSES to go to an event - and he is STILL center stage. He appears on O'Reilly about once a week, and people think he hates those guys. I seriously think he is a LOT smarter than people give him credit for. You can get away with a lot when your opponents think you're stupid.
 

vraiblonde

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Of course, what WOULD happen is, the press would pound the crap out of him like nobody's business.

That's exactly what would happen. People scoff at me when I suggest that the media actually decides our elections, but I'm right. You know you're the schizz when the Left media starts hammering at you.

And I agree with your comments regarding Trump. They're trying to dismiss him as a clown, a buffoon, not serious, blah blah blah...and the more they disparage him, the higher his poll numbers rise. Some news head said last night that Trump is out of touch with America - no, dude, it would appear that it's you all who are out of touch. :lol:
 

LibertyBeacon

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Something else I've been noticing - actually, most of my life - and that is that voters want to vote for someone who has a chance at winning.

It goes far beyond that too. Most people hold political positions not because they actually believe in them. They hold them because they want to be part of the "crowd". They do not want to be ridiculed.
 

PsyOps

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That's exactly what would happen. People scoff at me when I suggest that the media actually decides our elections, but I'm right. You know you're the schizz when the Left media starts hammering at you.

And I agree with your comments regarding Trump. They're trying to dismiss him as a clown, a buffoon, not serious, blah blah blah...and the more they disparage him, the higher his poll numbers rise. Some news head said last night that Trump is out of touch with America - no, dude, it would appear that it's you all who are out of touch. :lol:

So, I assume you flocked over to Trump now that Christie is out?
 

vraiblonde

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So, I assume you flocked over to Trump now that Christie is out?

Not yet. I got no dog in this fight because I can't vote in the primary. But I do admire Trump and appreciate him saying the things that need to be said.

Honestly, the more the media and leftwingers lose their minds over him and misrepresent the things he says, the more I'm inclined to join his team. Not so much because of Trump himself, but because I hate his enemies and detractors so much. Watching their heads explode if he gets the nomination, and then becomes president, is worth an awful lot to me.
 

Larry Gude

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T They don't even run because they think they'll siphon votes off of someone they want to lose.

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This is flat out not true. It is demonstrably, provably not true. Perot ran specifically to see Bush defeated. Nader ran specifically to see Gore lose. Teddy ran specifically to upset things in 1912. It is why voting matters, terribly so, and it is why it is NOT the media, NOT the weather, not herd mentality. We, the people, do NOT walk into the booth as a mob or herd. We can vote for whomever we chose, in private, and say whatever we like so we don't get shunned at the party. We, the people, buy into the bull#### nonsense that voting does NOT matter when it so very clearly does.

ONLY by voting who whom we want will be EVER get whom we want. If we accept two party rule and their candidates as the ONLY choices then we ought shut the hell up and take what they give us. ONLY by losing will either ever be forced to change.
 
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