Meanwhile, in Venezuela...

mAlice

professional daydreamer
If Hillary is our next President, this will be our future. Even if it's not during her reign, it will happen. Obama has set it up, everyone after him just has to keep the socialist ball rolling.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
There may not be a worse comparison. We've been making our socialism work and will continue to do so. Venezuelas problems are dictator related, not social democracy.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
There may not be a worse comparison. We've been making our socialism work and will continue to do so. Venezuelas problems are dictator related, not social democracy.

Nonsense. It's the "more and more" aspect of creeping socialism that will eventually get us there; "there" being something resembling where Venezuala is now.. That's the point. The fact that they had a dictator simply meant that they got there faster than might have been the case otherwise. But at the end of the day, people wanting and needing free stuff wins the day, dictator or no.
 

officeguy

Well-Known Member
There may not be a worse comparison. We've been making our socialism work and will continue to do so. Venezuelas problems are dictator related, not social democracy.

10 years of high oil prices and they pissed it all away. I know folks who used to manufacture and ranch down there, they all now live in the US. You can beat the people who keep your country running only so much.
 

officeguy

Well-Known Member
Nonsense. It's the "more and more" aspect of creeping socialism that will eventually get us there; "there" being something resembling where Venezuala is now.. That's the point. The fact that they had a dictator simply meant that they got there faster than might have been the case otherwise. But at the end of the day, people wanting and needing free stuff wins the day, dictator or no.

Looking at how the coming election is shaping up, next January we either have a male or female autocrat in the whitehouse.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Now you've done it. Let me get to a pc.... :evil:

What will come first: The Dictatorship or the Socialism?
Obama wants to federalize the Police. He and Hillary want to end the 2nd. Amendment.
The military has been cut to the bare bones.
Make the military weak and send them out of America to fight terrorism and then take over the cops.
The first tiny steps toward a Dictatorship.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Ok, so, first and foremost, the US is a socialist nation and economy. It just is. We can debate to what degree and that's fine but it's not debatable that it is, at core, the day to day backbone, socialized.

Now, that said, our economy is like water; it can go over, through, around, under, permeate and erode anything in it's path. It's that big and that diverse. We can do #### like Med D and TARP and the Stimulus and QE, piss away trillions on fruitless wars, maintain income transfer at enormous levels and just keep on keeping on. Venezuela, simply put, can't. We're like a super tanker rolling around the beltway; yeah, we get dinged and smashed into and smash into things but it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme, we just shrug it off. Venezuela is like a motorized unicycle; they need everything to go just so.

The thing you Philistines and Druids simply refuse to come to grips with is, like waste, fraud and abuse, we CAN, do and will just give stuff away. Why? Because all along the way people are getting paid. Landlords, grocery stores, the cable people, the car people, the clothing store, the restaurants, on and on and on and on. We are simply THAT wealthy. If we just give you $50k a year, what do you do with it? Spend it. There is the zero sum mindset, yours, and the correct one, mine; the point is simply that, as long as dollars are flowing, it does not matter. Your mind set WAS correct in a pure capitalist, gold standard (or silver) mindset where wealth was real and tangible as was 'money'.

We run the biggest and best Ponzi scheme, ever. If we run short of new 'suckers' coming in, we just make 'em up. As long as the cash flows, and with electronic 'money', we can, and as long as we don't let the rich consolidate and control too much of it, and we won't, because we can't, and that's the key, then the party goes on and you're sitting on 10,000,000 rounds for a day that will never come. :evil:

Except in Venezuela. Where it is coming. Because they can't do what we can.

:buddies:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
What will come first: The Dictatorship or the Socialism?
Obama wants to federalize the Police. He and Hillary want to end the 2nd. Amendment.
The military has been cut to the bare bones.
Make the military weak and send them out of America to fight terrorism and then take over the cops.
The first tiny steps toward a Dictatorship.



We are and have long been and will continue to be a socialist nation. Not completely but substantially and at core.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
The thing you Philistines and Druids simply refuse to come to grips with is, like waste, fraud and abuse, we CAN, do and will just give stuff away. :

Flap those fingers on the keyboard all ya want, I know one Druid who is continuing to invest in heavy metals and nonperishable foodstuffs.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Looking at how the coming election is shaping up, next January we either have a male or female autocrat in the whitehouse.

No we won't. Just because the congress has been inert for the last 6 years doesn't mean it's lost the ability to do it's job. A Trump win means all sorts of outside the beltway types run for office and win. Hillary means status quo and the continuation of a feckless congress. So, you're half right. If she wins.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Flap those fingers on the keyboard all ya want, I know one Druid who is continuing to invest in heavy metals and nonperishable foodstuffs.

That's fine, too. Those guys need to earn so they can come up with new FEAR products. IIRC, you're down on the Island, right? That sucks. You can't bury a container to put all that #### in. :lol:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
What will come first: The Dictatorship or the Socialism?
Obama wants to federalize the Police. He and Hillary want to end the 2nd. Amendment.
The military has been cut to the bare bones.
Make the military weak and send them out of America to fight terrorism and then take over the cops.
The first tiny steps toward a Dictatorship.

Bare bones. :lol: Maybe that's part of the problem, that we, the people, don't generally know just how powerful we are?
 

glhs837

Power with Control
That's fine, too. Those guys need to earn so they can come up with new FEAR products. IIRC, you're down on the Island, right? That sucks. You can't bury a container to put all that #### in. :lol:


He can, it just has to waterproof :) Luckily, I'm pretty sure he can pull that off :)
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
That IS a real problem. No lol. :smack:

I'm looking at fiberglass as an option...although just moving is a better option.

I dunno. You guys can stops the zombies at the one choke point and are THE water masters so, I think it's a pretty good position. And zombies can't swim.

Yet.
 
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