Holy CRAP! Who-da-thunk-it?
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Upper left looks like he took a right hook to the chin.
Hijinx
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Jury nullification?
Yeah, if you throw the book at someone, you better make sure that you score a hit.
I don't think the jury bought the 'conspiracy to keep a fed from working' charge and while they were in acquittal mood, they threw out the clearly proven stuff like 'firearm in federal building' along with it.
I don't think the jury bought the 'conspiracy to keep a fed from working' charge and while they were in acquittal mood, they threw out the clearly proven stuff like 'firearm in federal building' along with it.
Hijinx
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They were lucky to be tried in Oregon and not Kalifornia.
glhs837
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Annnnd or course the FBtwitterverse is freaking out about this being a sign of "White Privilege". If these folks were black, they would simply be dead. No way would a standoff have lasted 41 days. OF course, we'not yet sen a group of heavily armed blacks take over an empty building in the middle of nowhere where there was nobody around for miles, so it's hard to judge.
The lefties are already upset that the Bundy bunch got an all-white jury. Funny, how they demand a jury that looks like the defendant in other cases, but here it is suddenly a problem.
It has been a while since the PA state police bombed the Osage Ave row house.
Yeah, that.
glhs837
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Well, your peers are your peers. Pretty sure it's not easy to find many black people out there.
Hijinx
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You mean like the white folks in Waco?
The trial was in Portland, not Harney Co. I don't think they have a shortage of minorities.
glhs837
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You mean the white folks that had small kids with them? Not defending the Feds actions there, just pointing out the biggest difference that comes to mind.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/white_defendants_white_jurors.html
This article seems the bring the bias but does mention the point of the all white jury.
"Defense lawyer Matthew Schindler, however, pointed out that the jury was representative of Oregon's geographical diversity. The state's population is 88 percent white overall, and it's even whiter among voting-age adults eligible to serve on juries."
"Covarrubias, who works in the Washington County public defender's office, is familiar with the challenges of getting anything but a white point of view from the people in an Oregon jury box.
'Oregon is a very white place,' he said. 'Chances are slim to none you're going to have even one person of color on a jury.'"
Hijinx
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It would seem to most that having kids in the compound would have meant they would have given more though to it before they slaughtered and burned them out.
glhs837
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Do you really think the result there was intentional? It's pretty clear the course of action wasn't really optimal, but I disagree with the idea that anyone there said "Screw, it burn the place down, kill them all".
Hijinx
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Does the intention change the result?
80 people dead for no good reason.
Tanks brought in.
Anyway my point was to the inference that if these people had been black they would have been dead.
It was a bad point.
glhs837
Power with Control
The intention does not change the result, of course, but it changes the moral and/or legal liability. Not sure how Waco makes the thought that if 10 adult black males took over an otherwise empty building in a state park that the authorities would not engage in a 40 day stand off, they would go in guns blazing. Waco is a bad example of anything, it was a cluster eff of communications and bad headwork with crappy oversight. So to use Waco as a point in this discussion to me is a bad point.
Just looked it up. They DO have a shortage of minorities. 6% black and 7% Asian in Multnomah county.
Maybe we can send them some of ours.
glhs837
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Note the "eligible to serve" piece. That matters, especially when you are having this particular discussion. The SJWs will tell you that due to the "prison-industrial complex", the system disproportionately turns young men of color into non-voting felons, which by itself makes them ineligible to be in the juror pool. And how many of the Hispanics are ineligible due to not being citizens. The Willamette Valley being a huge agricultural area, I'll bet it's a significant number.
Now, add in what I'll bet is even lower participation than whites when selected to serve, you get what you get. Of course, the SJWs will tell you that the reason for that lower participation rate is due to the fact that blacks and Hispanics, being on the lower end of the economic spectrum, simply cannot afford to take jury duty and pass up a $50-$60 dollar workday for a $13-$15 dollar Jury day, and the businesses that employ them are far less likely to offer compensation to make up that difference.