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Thread: Tariffs---stupid idea--why do Presidents think they will work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post
    another elitist, like TJ, here to tell us poor rubes, how ignorant we are
    You seems to do fine job demonstrating your ignorance on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyjo View Post
    Donald Trump doesn't understand that tariffs don't work? How can a self described god of business not understand this basic concept? It isn't like he has to go too far back into history to see that they don't work. Hell, even those whose memories stop at Jan 20, 2009 have ammunition on this front...




    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/presid...180438688.html

    Try reading the Executive Summary of the report noted in the first paragraph...http://www.tradepartnership.com/pdf_...02jobstudy.pdf

    Don't worry, you don't have to actually read much...the summary is on pages two and three. It even has a colored graph for those who can't read English.

    Our President shows on a daily basis how unbelievably unqualified he is. What will today bring?
    I would normally agree with this assumption, but this isn't China, and this isn't Europe. We're not talking Chinese Steel, but for durable goods we're talking things like Cars, trucks and their associated parts..

    With a 20% or more tariff this particular instance tariff's could work to our benefit. At 20% it MAY be worthwhile for American Manufacturers to move back to the US..

    If I was a Mayor of a major city, or a governor of state like Maryland I think I'd be talking to GM and Ford NOW about tax breaks and incentives for when they do move to move here.

    Not only do they save themselves from the 20% tariff, but also get to enjoy a 10 year tax break from the state.. maybe even Federal if Trump gets his admin involved at that level.

    I bet we see many more industries moving to the likes of SC and FL the next 2 or 3 years.. while states like CA sit and bitch about how unfair that all the jobs are going somewhere else.

    Can't do much about perishable goods, or beer, but durable good..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev_Russell View Post
    You seems to do fine job demonstrating your ignorance on your own.


    :patsonhead:


    that's ok, I understand your college education sucked out all of the common sense
    We’re tempted to suggest a conspiracy here — but it’s just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply can’t conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev_Russell View Post

    Manufacturing as it existed up through the 1950s or so will *never* return to the U.S.
    But it does VERY WELL in technologically advanced nations like Germany, Japan and China - because we're moving to automation.
    Projections show us overtaking China - in three years.

    Yes, they can come back, but - you're not getting a manufacturing job without any skills. Those aren't really coming back anywhere.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    But it does VERY WELL in technologically advanced nations like Germany, Japan and China - because we're moving to automation.
    Projections show us overtaking China - in three years.
    In the case of Germany, at least, they recognized that highly technical educations would be required to drive the sort of manufacturing base they envisaged after the fall of the Berlin Wall -- machinery, automobiles, chemicals, etc. AND they made an explicit decision to run their government education system as a public good so that the workforce would be ready. Combine that with Chancellor Schroeder's reforms which addressed falling employment, investment, and general economic growth. At the same time, however, falling birthrates had some negative effect, which is why grandma Merkel wanted immigrants. Time will tell how that works out, since high technical skill is required in their modern manufacturing economy.

    The U.S., OTOH, has been asleep at the wheel with respect to re-tooling the workforce's skill sets to be able to adapt to the burgeoning knowledge economy. Manufacturing at scale is dead in this country. It ain't coming back.

    I doubt we'll overtake China primarily because they continue to kick our asses at education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev_Russell View Post
    I doubt we'll overtake China primarily because they continue to kick our asses at education.
    That's just the projections I've seen on multiple sites. We're coming back.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsbob View Post
    I would normally agree with this assumption, but this isn't China, and this isn't Europe. We're not talking Chinese Steel, but for durable goods we're talking things like Cars, trucks and their associated parts..

    With a 20% or more tariff this particular instance tariff's could work to our benefit. At 20% it MAY be worthwhile for American Manufacturers to move back to the US..

    If I was a Mayor of a major city, or a governor of state like Maryland I think I'd be talking to GM and Ford NOW about tax breaks and incentives for when they do move to move here.

    Not only do they save themselves from the 20% tariff, but also get to enjoy a 10 year tax break from the state.. maybe even Federal if Trump gets his admin involved at that level.

    I bet we see many more industries moving to the likes of SC and FL the next 2 or 3 years.. while states like CA sit and bitch about how unfair that all the jobs are going somewhere else.

    Can't do much about perishable goods, or beer, but durable good..
    Where's the freaking 'like' button?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev_Russell View Post

    The U.S., OTOH, has been asleep at the wheel with respect to re-tooling the workforce's skill sets to be able to adapt to the burgeoning knowledge economy.


    yes thanks Educators ....
    Go to College, get degrees in [insert fav. progressive social justice warrior program]
    We’re tempted to suggest a conspiracy here — but it’s just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply can’t conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post
    yes thanks Educators ....
    Go to College, get degrees in [insert fav. progressive social justice warrior program]
    But retaking the mantle of manufacturing primacy was only taken by China in the last few years - and largely because - we ceded it to them.
    We HAVE learned our lesson, and it is true we won't retake it by pumping out cheap labor and handmade products.

    But automation and machinery is getting better and eventually - like a lot of automated factories - the human job will be remarkably simple.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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