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Thread: If you donít think Trumpís hiring freeze hurts our military, and military families, think again

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    Quote Originally Posted by glhs837 View Post
    My retirement benefits were part of a contract I signed with the govt when I enlisted. The other things Vrai referenced are not like that.
    Fair point, too. But, if we're broke? Where does Social Security rank? Or Medicare? Or infrastructure costs and maintenance? Or the CIA? Or every other federal employee?

    I'm a pro military person my whole life. Long ago, as a kid, $400 hammers and assistant assistant janitors making great pay made more sense to me than paying people to sit at home. So, I'm not asking the question from an adversarial point.
    I'm asking from a practical point; how is it OK to expect one over the other to accept breaking or breaching their 'contract'? For everyone who says they have a contract and also says 'we (the gummint) is broke, in civil law, that ends contracts.

    it's a philosophical question and given people who ARE hostile to the military have the vote, I think an important one.
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    Anyway, I am confused.

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...-programs.html

    Although a Feb. 1 Defense Department memo exempts from the freeze 16 categories of civilian workers, including "positions providing child care to the children of military personnel," Army base commanders are still required to get permission from the service secretary before filling positions, according to a Feb. 16 memo from Diane Randon, acting assistant secretary of the Army for manpower and reserve affairs.
    So they get the permission, what's the problem?

    IMCOM officials said they are unaware of any other bases suspending their hourly or part-day programs as a result of the hiring freeze.
    One would think, if this were a real thing, ALL military installations would be shutting down their child care facilities, not just these few.

    Officials with the Navy said although the service requires a similar approval process for hiring exemptions, they are unaware of any CDC programs being shuttered as a result.
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    But aint that wonderful thing? As long as you can print money, you cant be broke. But assuming for the sake of argument that you could go broke, I might argue that breaking faith with the people you trained to kill might be a bad place to start. Do I pay the water bill, who will NOT break my knees, or my bookie, who will?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glhs837 View Post
    But aint that wonderful thing? As long as you can print money, you cant be broke. But assuming for the sake of argument that you could go broke, I might argue that breaking faith with the people you trained to kill might be a bad place to start. Do I pay the water bill, who will NOT break my knees, or my bookie, who will?
    No. The wonderful thing is we don't need to print money. Just make sure the cards are accepted; all digital.

    And let's not dramatize the thing. In WWII, there were 20 men who never touched a trigger in combat to support the 5% who did the actual fighting. What is that now? 40:1? 100? The military is BIG business far beyond the men who actually volunteered to do the real fighting. When I heard they had Pizza Hut and burger joints, ice cream companies in A'stan and Iraq AND we were paying foreign nationals, not American's, to provide services my patriotic gene got jolted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    Or is the gummint just for those who 'earned' it?
    Heinlein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishbone View Post
    Heinlein.

    Always been a fan of earned citizenship. Except, of course, it should be earned by service, no buy-in allowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glhs837 View Post
    Always been a fan of earned citizenship. Except, of course, it should be earned by service, no buy-in allowed.
    He was a globalist.


    I'm missing the point, here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    He was a globalist.


    I'm missing the point, here?
    Goes to your "earned it" point. and yes, he was. And we'll get there eventually. Globalism will be a thing someday. Just like a true color blind society. I suspect it wont be til were truly a systemwide species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glhs837 View Post
    Goes to your "earned it" point. and yes, he was. And we'll get there eventually. Globalism will be a thing someday. Just like a true color blind society. I suspect it wont be til were truly a systemwide species.
    I'm still not clear. Isn't that support my contention, my questions as to how to rank importance when we're talking about the limits and responsibilities of our gummint? Doesn't he expand, massively, the breadth and scope of gummint with that line of reasoning?
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    That letter kind of reminds me of the government shutdown a few years ago where they added Park Police to guard the memorials and parks in DC that were shut down. Sounds to me like a letter from a drama queen trying to prove Trump was a bad choice. I don't know about down there at Pax River, but there were plenty of agencies that when on full board hiring binges prior to inauguration.
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