Trumps speaks...AP Fact checks

tommyjo

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump said Friday that his predecessor's health care law covers "very few people" as he minimized the impact of replacing it. That's only true if you consider more than 20 million people to be very few.

He took another mysterious poke at Sweden, too, and decried open U.S. borders that are not.

Here's a look at his statements at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Friday:

TRUMP: "Obamacare covers very few people."

THE FACTS: More than 20 million people are covered by the two major components of former President Barack Obama's health care law: expanded Medicaid and subsidized private health insurance.

The Medicaid expansion, adopted by 31 states and Washington, D.C., covers about 11 million low-income people, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The fate of the expansion is a major sticking point as Republicans try to complete their repeal plan. Sixteen states with GOP governors have expanded their Medicaid programs.

The other more visible component is HealthCare.gov. The federal website and state-run online insurance markets have signed up 12.2 million people for this year, according to an Associated Press count earlier this month, based on federal and state reports.

This is lower than the 12.7 million who initially enrolled for 2016. But it is not dramatically lower when considering the problems the markets have had with rising premiums and dwindling insurer participation, not to mention Trump's vow to repeal the program.

Altogether, since Obama's law passed in 2010, the number of uninsured people has dropped by about 20 million and the uninsured rate has declined below 9 percent, a historic low.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 48.6 million Americans were uninsured in 2010. Through the first nine months of last year, that figure was down to 28.2 million.

Although employers also added coverage as the economy recovered, experts say the vast majority of the coverage gains are due to Obama's law.

However, the progress in reducing the number of uninsured people appears to have stalled. The 28.2 million uninsured last year, from January to September, is not statistically different from the 28.6 million uninsured for all of 2015, according to the CDC.

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TRUMP, repeating a week-old assertion that Sweden is an example of violence and extremism due to immigration: "Take a look at what happened in Sweden. I love Sweden, great country, great people, I love Sweden. But they understand. The people over there understand I'm right."

THE FACTS: Trump was ridiculed in Sweden after he warned at a rally in Florida that terrorism was growing in Europe and something terrible had happened in Sweden the previous night. But there had been no extraordinary trouble that night in Sweden, a country welcoming to immigrants. Two days later, though, a riot broke out after police arrested a drug crime suspect. Cars were set on fire and shops looted, but no one was injured. Attacks in the country related to extremism remain rare; the biggest surprise for many Swedes was that a police officer found it necessary to fire his gun.
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TRUMP: The U.S. is providing security to other nations "while leaving our own border wide open. Anybody can come in. But don't worry, we're getting a wall. ... We're getting bad people out of this country."

THE FACTS: His wide-open border claim is bogus. The number of arrests of illegal border crossers — the best measure of how many people are trying to cross illegally — remains at a 40-year low. The U.S. government under presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama roughly doubled the ranks of the Border Patrol in the last decade or so.

In addition, the number of people expelled from the country since Trump took office Jan. 20 has not been released. No available data supports his claim, made Thursday, that immigrants in the country illegally are being expelled at a rate "nobody has ever seen before." Deportations were brisk when Obama was president.

Altogether in January, 16,643 people were deported, a drop from December (20,395) but a number that is similar to monthly deportations in early 2015 and 2016.

This month, Homeland Security officials have said 680 people were arrested in a weeklong effort to find and arrest criminal immigrants living in the United States illegally. Three-quarters of those people had been convicted of crimes, Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly said. The remaining 25 percent were not. The government has not provided information about who was arrested in that roundup, so it's impossible to determine how many gang members or drug lords were in that group. It is also unclear how many of those "bad people" have actually been deported.

That roundup was largely planned before Trump took office and was alternately described by the Trump administration as a routine enforcement effort and a signal of his pledge to take a harder line on illegal immigration. During the Obama administration, similar operations were carried out that yielded thousands of arrests.

https://www.apnews.com/e8dc5db60949...:-Trump-considers-20-million-people-'very-few'

Naturally...the "informed" somd voter believes everything Mr. Trump says...facts...fact checkers and the world be damned!!!
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
If I may ...

Hey soiled ass wipe, yeah you tj, millions were already on medicaid pre-obamacare. They still have the same insurance, just under a different name. Nothing changed, for them.
But mostly you are correct, "the "informed" somd voter" ... "fact checkers and the world be damned". We really don't care. Our guy is in the White House. We won. And continue to win.
Now go flush yourself down a toilet.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
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One tiny little passing reference to something actually factual...which so happens to also be the elephant in the room. TJ..yr a complete moron.

considering the problems the markets have had with rising premiums and dwindling insurer participation
 

vraiblonde

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AP fact checks... :killingme

I know, right?

The language of their "fact check" is pure opinion and punditry, NOT facts. "Cars were set on fire and shops were looted, but that doesn't count as an attack." Yeah, tell that to the car owners and shopkeepers. AP's whole fact check consists of "well that doesn't count".
 

vraiblonde

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On the front page of AP News right this minute:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/fronts/HOME?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME

In Trump's first speech to Congress, will decorum hold?

WASHINGTON (AP) - A presidential speech to Congress is one of those all-American moments that ooze ritual and decorum. The House sergeant-at-arms will stand at the rear of the House of Representatives on Tuesday night and announce the arrival of Donald Trump before a joint session of Congress. Trump will stride down the center aisle to cheers and handshakes from his Republican supporters. First lady Melania Trump, accompanied by special guests, will smile from the gallery above. From there, though, the president who favors disruption over decorum can take the night in any number of directions. So can the Democrats who oppose him.


"The president who favors disruption over decorum..."

Note that there's not one single word about how great the stock market is doing. Not one word about Trump issuing a preliminary request for proposals on building the wall. Almost every story is Trump bashing, except for the one where they get all excited about the DNC chair election.
 

Bann

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On the front page of AP News right this minute:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/fronts/HOME?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME

In Trump's first speech to Congress, will decorum hold?

WASHINGTON (AP) - A presidential speech to Congress is one of those all-American moments that ooze ritual and decorum. The House sergeant-at-arms will stand at the rear of the House of Representatives on Tuesday night and announce the arrival of Donald Trump before a joint session of Congress. Trump will stride down the center aisle to cheers and handshakes from his Republican supporters. First lady Melania Trump, accompanied by special guests, will smile from the gallery above. From there, though, the president who favors disruption over decorum can take the night in any number of directions. So can the Democrats who oppose him.

"The president who favors disruption over decorum..."

Note that there's not one single word about how great the stock market is doing. Not one word about Trump issuing a preliminary request for proposals on building the wall. Almost every story is Trump bashing, except for the one where they get all excited about the DNC chair election.

I cannot WAIT for Daddy's first address to Congress. That is some must-see TV! :yahoo:
 

Chris0nllyn

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I know, right?

The language of their "fact check" is pure opinion and punditry, NOT facts. "Cars were set on fire and shops were looted, but that doesn't count as an attack." Yeah, tell that to the car owners and shopkeepers. AP's whole fact check consists of "well that doesn't count".

The point seems to be missed.

Trump said there was an attack. There was not one. There was a riot for a completely different reason, 48 hours after Trump made his comment.

Fact #1. Trump's comment.
Fact check #1: There was no attack when Trump said.

If the litmus test is retroactive proof, then no one but Trump will ever be right.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
If I may ...

AND about 6 million HAD health care pre Obamacare, and lost it - and had to sign up again under Obamacare.

That is true. And I do not dispute it. Obama used those numbers telling everyone they were newly insured from being uninsured.... "Hey look, Obamacare program is working!" they said. And of course they lost their doctors and paid more than double, sometimes tripling, the premiums with impossible deductibles in the thousands.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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The point seems to be missed.

Trump said there was an attack. There was not one. There was a riot for a completely different reason, 48 hours after Trump made his comment.

Fact #1. Trump's comment.
Fact check #1: There was no attack when Trump said.

If the litmus test is retroactive proof, then no one but Trump will ever be right.

The hay is being made that there wasn't an attack that specific night. The larger picture is that there had been and continue to be other attacks and refugee uprisings. To pretend that, because there wasn't an attack on that particular night, Trump is a liar liar pants on fire and Sweden is perfectly peachy keen is about as disingenuous as it gets.
 

Gilligan

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The hay is being made that there wasn't an attack that specific night. The larger picture is that there had been and continue to be other attacks and refugee uprisings. To pretend that, because there wasn't an attack on that particular night, Trump is a liar liar pants on fire and Sweden is perfectly peachy keen is about as disingenuous as it gets.

Yep..but that's his mo
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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The hay is being made that there wasn't an attack that specific night. The larger picture is that there had been and continue to be other attacks and refugee uprisings. To pretend that, because there wasn't an attack on that particular night, Trump is a liar liar pants on fire and Sweden is perfectly peachy keen is about as disingenuous as it gets.




many of us understood the rhetorical remarks .... others looking for make a story :shrug: not so much

or intentionally Obtuse just to argue
 
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