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INGSOC
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Liberal Activist Pleads Guilty To 14 Counts Of Voter Fraud—That Thing The Left Says Doesn't Happen



Despite the persistent claim by those on the left that voter fraud doesn't exist, a liberal activist from Ohio pleaded guilty to 14 counts of voter fraud on Monday. Rebecca A. Hammonds, who was originally charged with 35 counts, was sentenced to six months in prison.

Hammonds, a paid Ohio Organizing Collaborative canvasser, was charged with “falsely registering people to vote and forging signatures on voter registration forms" in Columbiana County, reports The American Mirror.

“It was fraud. It was dozens of forms where people that were deceased or just forged flat out," said Adam Booth, Columbiana County elections director. "They signed their name and it wasn’t even the voter, the wrong date of birth, wrong streets."

Booth said the criminal was caught in the fraud scam because his officer took the right precautions, making sure "all the information matches up, from their first name, middle name, last name, to all the identifiers.”

Associate assistant attorney general Brian Deckert suspects Hammonds committed fraud out of "human laziness," as he noted that she wasn't paid by signature, but at an hourly rate.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Climate deniers.

Next it will be "...but it only happens a little bit..."

Then "...ok, but we can't do anything about it..."
 

tommyjo

New Member
Two points for those who can only think from a binary perspective:

1. no one says voter fraud doesn't happen...what everyone says is that it is such a small occurrence as to be irrelevant and certainly not worth the panty bunching of the far right freaks. 135 or so million votes were cast in the Presidential election...

2. This lady was caught

3. Not one story says that any of the registrations she tried to process ever resulted in an actual vote being cast.
 

Larry Gude

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It is absurd to think voter fraud is NOT a bigger issue than is reported. One merely look at the push back to suspect that. No one on the left is saying 'sure! ID should mandatory!'

We know the 1960 election was taken and it happened in Chicago.
Anyone with common sense can see the logic and reason of taking active roles in seeing that people vote.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
It is absurd to think voter fraud is NOT a bigger issue than is reported. One merely look at the push back to suspect that. No one on the left is saying 'sure! ID should mandatory!'

We know the 1960 election was taken and it happened in Chicago.
Anyone with common sense can see the logic and reason of taking active roles in seeing [w]hat people vote.

Exactly. The issue is that it can't be determined how big the issue is because we don't use voter ID, and we allow absentee voting, etc., etc. There are those who would like to keep it that way, and use the "we don't prosecute hardly ANY violators" as an excuse, with the full knowledge it is almost entirely impossible to catch.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
Two points for those who can only think from a binary perspective:

1. no one says voter fraud doesn't happen...what everyone says is that it is such a small occurrence as to be irrelevant and certainly not worth the panty bunching of the far right freaks. 135 or so million votes were cast in the Presidential election...

2. This lady was caught

3. Not one story says that any of the registrations she tried to process ever resulted in an actual vote being cast.


Yes they do, it's exactly what they say. It's only after it's proven that it reverts to your story, it's known as moving the goal post.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
no one says voter fraud doesn't happen...what everyone says is that it is such a small occurrence as to be irrelevant and certainly not worth the panty bunching of the far right freaks. 135 or so million votes were cast in the Presidential election...

You're right - they don't say it doesn't happen, but it happens very rarely. How rarely? Let's see what people say:
MSNBC said:
Kevin Drum added that if every one of these instances “turns out to be a genuine case of fraud, that’s a fraud rate of 0.00002%.”

Just so we’re clear, Republican policymakers have launched a national campaign, imposing the most severe voting restrictions since the Jim Crow era, all the while characterizing voter fraud as a national scourge that can only be addressed through voter-ID laws.

Except the only genuine fraud here has been the GOP argument.
Pres. Obama said:
“We are the only country in the advanced world that makes it harder to vote rather than easier. This whole notion of voting fraud has constantly been disproven. This is fake news.
ABC News said:
Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.


So, technically, you are correct. They don't say it "never" happens, just that it never happens.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Two points for those who can only think from a binary perspective:

1. no one says voter fraud doesn't happen...what everyone says is that it is such a small occurrence as to be irrelevant and certainly not worth the panty bunching of the far right freaks. 135 or so million votes were cast in the Presidential election...

2. This lady was caught

3. Not one story says that any of the registrations she tried to process ever resulted in an actual vote being cast.

I've argued endlessly with people who claim it doesn't happen - even after news stories break over people bragging about it or being charged with it.
We had a candidate running for Congress who had to drop out - because she voted twice - once, for her friend in Florida.

Nevertheless - voter fraud results in a cancellation of YOUR vote.
You could just as easily argue that voter intimidation or things like poll taxes don't change the outcome of elections - they're still wrong.
You don't need to pull an unsafe product off the shelf - it only kills a very few people.

Who thinks that's a good argument?
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I've argued endlessly with people who claim it doesn't happen - even after news stories break over people bragging about it or being charged with it.
We had a candidate running for Congress who had to drop out - because she voted twice - once, for her friend in Florida.

Nevertheless - voter fraud results in a cancellation of YOUR vote.
You could just as easily argue that voter intimidation or things like poll taxes don't change the outcome of elections - they're still wrong.
You don't need to pull an unsafe product off the shelf - it only kills a very few people.

Who thinks that's a good argument?

There's a video out there of a cali rep, iirc, speaking to a group of immigrants and explaining how to get around the rules and vote
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
There's a video out there of a cali rep, iirc, speaking to a group of immigrants and explaining how to get around the rules and vote

Easy explanation - get a driver's license.

[video=youtube;4kQQNvMx754]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kQQNvMx754[/video]
 
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