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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post

    Wouldn't you rather have people who are so in love with fighting fires that they made it a career, not a hobby?
    You do realize that many of the one's who do make a career out of fire fighting and EMS also volunteer in their spare time, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimTheToolMan View Post
    You do realize that many of the one's who do make a career out of fire fighting and EMS also volunteer in their spare time, right?
    A LOT of them do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BernieP View Post
    When we have the population and population density of a PG county, then maybe we can afford full time, paid, firefighters.
    Who says PG county can afford their fire department ;-)

    They are stretched thin enough that mutual aid units from bordering counties have to respond into PG on both fire and EMS calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimTheToolMan View Post
    You do realize that many of the one's who do make a career out of fire fighting and EMS also volunteer in their spare time, right?
    And in the reverse, many of the younger members who run calls fully intend to make firefighting a career. Some of them are just waiting for test dates with the career departments to open up while they collect experience and credentials to strengthen their applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by officeguy View Post
    And in the reverse, many of the younger members who run calls fully intend to make firefighting a career. Some of them are just waiting for test dates with the career departments to open up while they collect experience and credentials to strengthen their applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by officeguy View Post
    And in the reverse, many of the younger members who run calls fully intend to make firefighting a career. Some of them are just waiting for test dates with the career departments to open up while they collect experience and credentials to strengthen their applications.
    Exactly, without their Volunteer experience, they wouldn't have their career!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird Dog View Post
    What makes paid personnel safer?
    I know the Unions say it is so....but they suck the County coffers dry......the expense of that accident wouldn't touch the pension of five Union personnel .........
    Don't you find it queer that all the Southern County's have a Volunteer Fire Dept but yet we don't have volunteer Teachers, Policeman, Water Dept, Street Dept, Library, Court, Bus and dozens of other County jobs that all county's can and do afford.
    To think that Calvert, Charles and St Mary's don't have the needed tax base to provide paid Fireman is laughable at best.

    I grew up in Montgomery Co and we had paid Fire Depts but we also had BCC Rescue Service that was Volunteer, in the decades I live there I don't ever recall the paid fireman flipping trucks over.
    But I recall a monster BCC Rescue truck blowing a red light on Old Georgetown Rd that hit two cars and one Woman driver died.
    I watched it happen as a junior HS kid.
    The township I live in in Indiana has paid Fireman, the building is nice and modern along with the equipment stored inside.
    The average resident property tax bill here is 4 to 600 dollars a year. I own a building that used to be a three bay garage service station, it's taxes are alittle over 800 bucks a year.
    We have nowhere near the revenue in the township I live in when compared just to St Marys much less Calvert or P.G.
    Maybe these county's need along with the Fire Trucks to Throttle Back on the spending and speeding and hire more responsible people to run the Fire Department.
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    All I know is that I am thankful for our FD, EMT, LEO, etc. They are the line between handling it, and chaos. I don't get why this thread has become so critical, and condescending. I won't question anything if I ever have to call 911, and they show up. So far, I haven't had to call 911, but it could happen. Thank you to all that choose to serve their community.

    Oh, and yeah, it was an accident. Prayers to the guys who were injured. Nite, nite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by black dog View Post
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    Don't you find it queer that all the Southern County's have a Volunteer Fire Dept but yet we don't have volunteer Teachers, Policeman, Water Dept, Street Dept, Library, Court, Bus and dozens of other County jobs that all county's can and do afford.
    To think that Calvert, Charles and St Mary's don't have the needed tax base to provide paid Fireman is laughable at best.

    I grew up in Montgomery Co and we had paid Fire Depts but we also had BCC Rescue Service that was Volunteer, in the decades I live there I don't ever recall the paid fireman flipping trucks over.
    But I recall a monster BCC Rescue truck blowing a red light on Old Georgetown Rd that hit two cars and one Woman driver died.
    I watched it happen as a junior HS kid.
    The township I live in in Indiana has paid Fireman, the building is nice and modern along with the equipment stored inside.
    The average resident property tax bill here is 4 to 600 dollars a year. I own a building that used to be a three bay garage service station, it's taxes are alittle over 800 bucks a year.
    We have nowhere near the revenue in the township I live in when compared just to St Marys much less Calvert or P.G.
    Maybe these county's need along with the Fire Trucks to Throttle Back on the spending and speeding and hire more responsible people to run the Fire Department.
    Have you ever visited one of the firehouses in any of the counties? Do you know any of the volunteers who drive these vehicles? Do you know for a fact any of the experience any of them have?

    I do. I know personally. I live in PF and know personally more than a couple.

    Check out the press release from the Sheriff's office and the posts I made. The expererience of the Dunkirk FD driver is noted. How do you know he isn't a resposible person?
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  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by officeguy View Post
    That volunteer coordinator costs the county less than a single career firefighter.
    Agreed, but it is an additional cost that people think doesn't happen.

    Someone correct me, but as I read it, we give volunteers the opportunity to take 3k off their maryland adjusted gross income, not their tax obligation. That's worth 150 bucks on a good day.
    Average tax rate is 24%. 24% of $3,000 is $720. Plus pension, etc.

    Volunteers are not 'free' to the state. They have to be equipped, there is the small tax deduction and a small pension contribution for those who volunteer for something like 20 years. Also, there are insurance expenses etc. The volunteer training at MFRI is being paid out of the $13 surcharge on car registrations (along with MSP aviation command). Everything together is still a fraction of the cost of a career FF.
    I agree, and you're making my point. What is the insurance difference for volunteers vs. professionals? And, how many volunteers need to be trained, equipped, insured, etc., as opposed to how many professionals you need?

    I'm not suggesting the cost is less for a station or two of professional firefighters, but it may be worth the extra cost.

    Not really. I prefer to go by objective data. What I see are very good response times for a rural area and really no indication that the volunteers in the area are not doing a good job. They invest a lot of their time into training and most stations are busy enough that the FFs remain proficient at their job. It is way more than a hobby for most.
    It's not. It's not their job, it's something they do on the side, and don't go into if they don't feel like it or have other obligations. It is secondary to their base job, the one that pays their bills. It is a hobby, no more.

    Going to a career fire service would be a huge investment. All those snazzy firehouses: worthless for a career department. The current network of stations exists based on historical growth of the area, not because someone mapped out call volumes and travel times and found the most optimal location for the stations.
    You realize all of this is counter to your argument, right?

    I believe SMC has 6 companies right now, a career department would probably have to make do with 3 or 4 for purely fiscal reasons. Those stations would have to be newly built and equipped. If you want to see the county portion of your tax bill bloat to the same level as the school district portion, go ahead and get a career department.
    I would not go 100% professionals. Surely, the low population areas don't need it I probably would do a study to see, but would suggest off the cuff that Leonardtown and Lexington Park probably need professionals, and the rest can stay hobby firefighters.
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