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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    I used to think they just sucked at it. It think it is simply a matter of practical politics. They know they can get elected, since 2010, by promising to repeal something, the ACA, that drove right wingers to something they hardly ever do; active public protest.
    Since then, they've ridden it to the House in '10, (not enough powah!) and state Houses in '12 (not enough powah!) and then the Senate in '14 )not enough powah!) and now the WH (Still not enough powah!) all the while having a favorable court; "Not enough powah!"

    So, it doesn't appear to be message. I think it's as simple as being able to use voters and also protect the real power behind them; the medical/industrial complex. It LOVES the ACA.
    By "favorable court", you mean one that patently disagreed with the arguments made in favor of the ACA so the court could find a way to KEEP the ACA? THAT favorable court?





    Yes, they could change the Senate rules to have a simple majority rule the day. Let's ask Harry Reid how that worked out for Democrats in terms of cabinet members, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    By "favorable court", you mean one that patently disagreed with the arguments made in favor of the ACA so the court could find a way to KEEP the ACA? THAT favorable court?

    Yes, they could change the Senate rules to have a simple majority rule the day. Let's ask Harry Reid how that worked out for Democrats in terms of cabinet members, eh?
    Yes, the court the begged them to take it back and fix it if they wanted to clarify it. The court that said 'we're not writing it for you'.

    Believe what you want. Maybe when Republican's hold every seat of power in the nation and STILL don't repeal it you'll start to get a little suspicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    ... the medical/industrial complex. It LOVES the ACA.


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    Weíre tempted to suggest a conspiracy here ó but itís just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply canít conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    Yes, the court the begged them to take it back and fix it if they wanted to clarify it. The court that said 'we're not writing it for you'.

    Believe what you want. Maybe when Republican's hold every seat of power in the nation and STILL don't repeal it you'll start to get a little suspicious.
    If they got 60 in the Senate and didn't repeal it, I would be suspicious. If they didn't do something now, within the ability of the reconciliation process, I would be suspicious. Currently, I'm not very concerned.
    There are only two possibilities; one is that we are alone in the universe, the other is that we are not.
    Both are terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post
    Permanent Funding for Healthcare Act
    Permanent privatizing of gain, permanent socializing of loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    If they got 60 in the Senate and didn't repeal it, I would be suspicious. If they didn't do something now, within the ability of the reconciliation process, I would be suspicious. Currently, I'm not very concerned.
    But you're not concerned when Trump himself said "Go do it, Mitch!" and....:crickets:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    But you're not concerned when Trump himself said "Go do it, Mitch!" and....:crickets:
    Not really. Trump has been in favor of socialized medicine in the past, and ran on being good with socialized medicine, all while saying he wants to repeal the ACA.

    Ryan doing what he can is what I hoped for (no more), and it seems he is trying to do things in a realistic manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    You could almost say the problem with the Democrat Party is - they have the wrong platform. They aren't trying to offer things the American People seem to want, in ways We want it.

    Trump didn't either, but he was closer, and is NOT establishment* (note, comment only good during the campaign, not before or since).
    Trump essentially ran as a third party, but co-opted the R's name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    Not really. Trump has been in favor of socialized medicine in the past, and ran on being good with socialized medicine, all while saying he wants to repeal the ACA.

    Ryan doing what he can is what I hoped for (no more), and it seems he is trying to do things in a realistic manner.
    You're missing the point. Whatever Trump is for or not for, he did very publicly support repeal of the ACA. He urged McConnell to end the philibuster, the ONE obstacle in the path of repeal. It is a TOTAL cop out to say Ryan is doing what he can and doing it in in a realistic manner. He has ONE primary job to do FIRST. Repeal the ACA. End the mandate. Then, they can make up the most socialist thing you can come up with. Socialism is the control of the means of production. Not control of the people. The mandate has to go.

    You're just excusing them. And that is GREAT for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin99 View Post
    Trump essentially ran as a third party, but co-opted the R's name.
    What party would that be? The totalitarian party? He's not a libertarian or not much of one. He's a YUGE gummint fan so he could be a D or R. He's not green. He's absolutely not any sort of constitutionalist.

    Yeah, he co-opted the GOP. But he ran as Trump, not any third party. He's a cult. Not a party.
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