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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    I'm for a national ID.
    Ok, but what do you think of my solution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    I'm for a national ID.
    I thought Congress already passed a 'National ID' act

    putting all sorts of ID requirements on states ...... which is now why some states have 2 IDs - One for Citizenz on for Illegals to drive with
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    I'm for a national ID.
    In terms of my opinion of a national ID card, it seems far too easy to be corrupted/counterfeit-made than requiring multiple forms of ID (that would require multiple forms of corruption and counterfeiting). I've heard the Big Brother argument about a federal ID, but we already have and mis-use the Social Security system, so I'm not really sure what a big deal that would be.
    There are only two possibilities; one is that we are alone in the universe, the other is that we are not.
    Both are terrifying.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    Ok, but what do you think of my solution?
    Sounds like a way to create more jobs than necessary. I'm for it!

    A passport style ID card requires information about your parents, where you are from. That establishes me as having been born in the US and that my folks were but it doesn't establish that they, or I, got here legally.

    It seems to me our most basic principle, representation, representative gummint, would mean if you live here, if you're paying taxes, then that's the entire point of the vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    Sounds like a way to create more jobs than necessary. I'm for it!

    A passport style ID card requires information about your parents, where you are from. That establishes me as having been born in the US and that my folks were but it doesn't establish that they, or I, got here legally.

    It seems to me our most basic principle, representation, representative gummint, would mean if you live here, if you're paying taxes, then that's the entire point of the vote.
    Here legally, or just here?
    There are only two possibilities; one is that we are alone in the universe, the other is that we are not.
    Both are terrifying.

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    I'm for a national ID.
    Me too. I was under the impression that most conservatives were also.

    In fact - since a passport works very well as a national ID and most people don't have one, I'd assume that the left was against it.
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  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    Me too. I was under the impression that most conservatives were also.

    In fact - since a passport works very well as a national ID and most people don't have one, I'd assume that the left was against it.
    When I was a right winger, I knew that the conservative argument against a national ID was a states rights issue. As I say, if they've changed, good on 'em. Makes the most sense to me.
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    Did someone take into account that some people might lie on a jury summons and claim to be a non-citizen when they in fact are US citizens ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    What do we do about it? How could I prove I am a citizen? Carry my passport with my everywhere?

    I think there is ZERO doubt people who are not US citizens do vote and I think there is Zero doubt that there is fraud with citizens voting multiple times. We KNOW the 1960 presidential election was won in Chicago, never to be investigated.

    But, if the right opposes some sort of national ID, what do we do about it?
    Actually, I think the Left opposes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3CATSAILOR View Post
    Actually, I think the Left opposes it.
    I did not know that. Ok, so they need to offer a solution then. You can't make an argument for proof of ID for ANYTHING if you can't make an argument for proof of who you are to vote.
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