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    The Corps' quest for the best rifle for infantrymen

    " The commandant of the Marine Corps wants to vastly expand the fielding of infantry automatic rifles by putting them in the hands of nearly every “0311” rifleman.

    The Corps’ IAR — currently the M27 made by Heckler & Koch — could replace the standard-issue M4 carbine for thousands of Marines.

    “Most Marines like it, and so do I,” Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Robert Neller told Marine Corps Times. Neller has not made a decision as to whether he will put any additional IARs in infantry squads.

    “Everything I have seen suggests that the M27s we have been using for some time have been the most reliable, durable, and accurate weapons in our rifle squads,” Neller said in a statement.

    The Marine Corps started fielding more than 4,000 M27 IARs back in 2010, initially thinking they would replace the M249 squad automatic weapons. But ultimately the Corps decided it needed both weapons, and the IARs use among grunts has been limited.

    Now Neller is looking at the IAR as a high-performance service weapon for all riflemen in the infantry.

    Most weapons experts agree the M27 is far superior to the M4. But at up to $3,000 apiece, it costs a lot more compared to the M4, typically less than $1,000. "

    Continue reading here: https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/marines-may-buy-more-automatic-rifles-for-infantry-squads
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhboy View Post
    " The commandant of the Marine Corps wants to vastly expand the fielding of infantry automatic rifles by putting them in the hands of nearly every “0311” rifleman.

    The Corps’ IAR — currently the M27 made by Heckler & Koch — could replace the standard-issue M4 carbine for thousands of Marines.

    “Most Marines like it, and so do I,” Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Robert Neller told Marine Corps Times. Neller has not made a decision as to whether he will put any additional IARs in infantry squads.

    “Everything I have seen suggests that the M27s we have been using for some time have been the most reliable, durable, and accurate weapons in our rifle squads,” Neller said in a statement.

    The Marine Corps started fielding more than 4,000 M27 IARs back in 2010, initially thinking they would replace the M249 squad automatic weapons. But ultimately the Corps decided it needed both weapons, and the IARs use among grunts has been limited.

    Now Neller is looking at the IAR as a high-performance service weapon for all riflemen in the infantry.

    Most weapons experts agree the M27 is far superior to the M4. But at up to $3,000 apiece, it costs a lot more compared to the M4, typically less than $1,000. "

    Continue reading here: https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/marines-may-buy-more-automatic-rifles-for-infantry-squads
    Why don't they just modify the M4 and M16 back to a full auto??
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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post
    What is old is new again
    It's because a girl can't carry a 240 or 249.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsbob View Post
    Why don't they just modify the M4 and M16 back to a full auto??
    I do like that the weapon is based on the HK416

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    It's because a girl can't carry a 240 or 249.



    Army had Automatic Riflemen in the 80's when I was in .... one solider in each Squad was designated AR
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsbob View Post
    Why don't they just modify the M4 and M16 back to a full auto??
    Because the HnK is a significantly better rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    Because the HnK is a significantly better rifle.
    I would go with that IF it was 7.62.. that's what the infantry really needs, and update BAR..

    I had NO complaints about the M16A2, except for the lack of full auto..
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsbob View Post
    I would go with that IF it was 7.62.. that's what the infantry really needs, and update BAR..

    I had NO complaints about the M16A2, except for the lack of full auto..
    You'll get NO argument from me on caliber. I think the 5.56 has a role, especially in street fighting, door to door stuff. But, yeah, if it's me, I'll have an M-14, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    But, yeah, if it's me, I'll have an M-14, please.





    and carry an MP5 for CQB
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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post



    and carry an MP5 for CQB
    I'd still prefer 5.56 to 9mm in an urban setting. Lotta walls to shoot through sometimes and not because 5.56 is ideal for that but it is better than 9mm. yeah or nay?
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