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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    They've all done this, and it is far cheaper to have him go to his house than a new place all the time.

    We agree, should be at the White House, but they've all done it differently. Teddy Roosevelt essentially made Yellowstone the White House, did he not? Lincoln had the house up in the hills where he did as much work as he did at the White House. Bush went to Texas. Reagan to California. I get that they have a vacation home in Camp David, but that's not the only place they go.
    Actually, Teddy roosevelt made Sagamore Hill his second White House, not Yellowstone. Lincoln spent time at the Soldiers Home in N.W. DC. The difference with Trump is that he's using a "public" resort setting which is costing local govts money and causing hassles for local residents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    Ok, that's one time. Take it off the cost of the Obamas. Now, take off the trips with foreign leaders from Trump's total.

    Or, if you believe they're equal things because the president is never technically on vacation, add on the rest of Trump and Obama's travel costs, because all you have are the Obama's vacations, but all of Trump's travel.
    Actually, it's travel costs versus travel costs. So it is a good comparison for two presidents who travel for leisure and work while on leisure trips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    Again, we agree it is too much. He said he wouldn't, and here he is doing it.

    My argument is not that it is ok. My argument is that calling him to the carpet and saying, "you're spending more than Obama" by showing a small portion of Obama's travel costs and all of Trump's is a false argument, which leads to people not listening to what the REAL argument actually is.

    He said he wouldn't, and he is. If they stuck with that as an argument, how can anyone credibly argue against it. When the argument becomes disingenuous or patently false, then there's an argument against it and the real problem gets lost.
    It's not a false argument. The totals show Obama's travel costs over the course of eight years versus Trumps travel costs over the course of (almost) three months and it shows a trend that is developing. again, both men travel to relax. Both men work(ed) while traveling to relax. Work being anything from meeting with foreign leaders to studying the daily national security briefing, among other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    I recall the secure facility at Bush's ranch, full of secure visual telecommunications gear and such, that he used during Katrina. I don't think they install that kind of stuff for hurricanes, I think he already had it. I'll bet you'll find one was installed in the Obama's house in Chicago, too. I imagine Biden had one out in Delaware, too.
    There are comm vans located at each of the former-presidents' residences as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    It's not a false argument. The totals show Obama's travel costs over the course of eight years versus Trumps travel costs over the course of (almost) three months and it shows a trend that is developing. again, both men travel to relax. Both men work(ed) while traveling to relax. Work being anything from meeting with foreign leaders to studying the daily national security briefing, among other things.
    I really don't care about comparing the two. Every president is going to do things differently, and their way. Trump said he wasn't going to do this sort of thing and he's doing it. I don't recall Obama saying anything of the sort. His blowing tax dollars to travel here and there was no surprise. Trump was supposed to be that agent of change from all of that crap, and he's not.

    I can remember when I was stationed at Ramstein. My wife (now ex) worked in finance in the travel office. Officers would create TDYs to places they wanted to go (especially their home towns) and take a vacation there in combination with their 'official business'; AND fly their family there - all at the tax payer's expense. The Air Force put a stop to it.

    This is all Trump is doing, creating official business in order to piggyback a vacation there. It's unethical and goes against his campaign promise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyjo View Post
    Wow...talk about mental gymnastics...how many sides of the same issue can you take in one post?
    On each issue, I took one.

    Issue - misleading or blatantly inaccurate reporting: Against
    Issue - whether Trump is spending too much time away from the WH: Against
    Issue - whether Trump is keeping this promise (staying at the White House): He's not
    Issue - whether the reporting comparing Trump and Obama's costs is an apples to apples comparison: It's not


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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    The difference with Trump is that he's using a "public" resort setting which is costing local govts money and causing hassles for local residents.
    I would suppose the Hawai'in locals on the Obamas' 7 or 8 or whatever trips to there had no costs? No hassles?

    How about when he went to Williamsburg, VA? Or Denver? Long Beach?

    By this point in his presidency, Obama had travelled for 20 days to 21 cities in 7 countries outside the US as well as in. Were those costs considered in your original figure?
    Trump, by comparison, has been on travel for 27 days, but has not left the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    Actually, it's travel costs versus travel costs. So it is a good comparison for two presidents who travel for leisure and work while on leisure trips.
    Actually, the Obama travel costs come from an analysis done by Judicial Watch, which only looked at vacation and "political" travel, whereas the estimates for Trump include Presidential-business travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awpitt View Post
    It's not a false argument. The totals show Obama's travel costs over the course of eight years versus Trumps travel costs over the course of (almost) three months and it shows a trend that is developing. again, both men travel to relax. Both men work(ed) while traveling to relax. Work being anything from meeting with foreign leaders to studying the daily national security briefing, among other things.
    Then do grand total to grand total. That's not what the Judicial Watch figure represents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyOps View Post
    I really don't care about comparing the two. Every president is going to do things differently, and their way. Trump said he wasn't going to do this sort of thing and he's doing it. I don't recall Obama saying anything of the sort. His blowing tax dollars to travel here and there was no surprise. Trump was supposed to be that agent of change from all of that crap, and he's not.

    I can remember when I was stationed at Ramstein. My wife (now ex) worked in finance in the travel office. Officers would create TDYs to places they wanted to go (especially their home towns) and take a vacation there in combination with their 'official business'; AND fly their family there - all at the tax payer's expense. The Air Force put a stop to it.

    This is all Trump is doing, creating official business in order to piggyback a vacation there. It's unethical and goes against his campaign promise.
    And, see, THAT's a really valid argument and point.
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