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    Patriots day...

    ...do you consider yourself a patriot or a nationalist? Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post
    America for Americans
    What is America and what is an American?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    ...do you consider yourself a patriot or a nationalist? Why?


    I'm assuming you're going by the general idea that while a patriot loves and defends his country, a nationalist fervently believes his nation is the best that has ever existed?

    In that case, I'm a bit of both.
    Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong". Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    I'm assuming you're going by the general idea that while a patriot loves and defends his country, a nationalist fervently believes his nation is the best that has ever existed?

    In that case, I'm a bit of both.
    Don't assume. Apply your own standard, just please explain it. I'm not interested in declaring what the text book definition of each is per se; only interested in what people think they are and why.

    For example and jus to put it out there so no one is thinking this is a 'gotcha', to me, a patriot is a 'my country right or wrong' flag waver. They have ZERO interest in ideas or principles and simply have strong support for it, whatever they may be. And a nationalist is one who is supportive of the ideas of a given nation, what it stands for.

    I think of it as symbolism over substance.

    What provoked the thought was a typical banal piece by EJ Dione this am; https://www.inusanews.com/article/74...y-nationalists
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    What is America and what is an American?
    If you have to ask...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishbone View Post
    If you have to ask...
    ...it makes me intelligent.
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    It's your sandbox larry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishbone View Post
    It's your sandbox larry.
    You can't possibly be this stupid. I ask an open and reasonable question and you CAN take the time to totally miss the point and avoid the question because you're more interested in giving me a hard time? Or, am I really just that that interesting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    Don't assume. Apply your own standard, just please explain it.
    I don't think I have EVER used the term nationalist to describe myself, even if I totally deserve the textbook description.
    Ditto "jingoist". Just not words I would use, so the question makes no sense unless I'm operating under an established definition.

    I consider myself patriotic. I think this nation is the finest one in human history.

    I don't dismiss all of its flaws as irrelevant - just as I don't with my own family (my wife and kids) or the one I grew up with (my siblings and parents).
    I knew my father's flaws, but he will always be my personal hero and the one person I want most to be like. Ditto my mom.
    I probably know her flaws even more, because they were visible. I love my siblings but it wasn't all roses.

    I have no delusions about the abilities and limitations of my own family but I do believe taken all in all, they are the sweetest and loveliest children I know.

    So you might get an idea about how I feel about this country - I know its past. I also know what it has done, the things it might have done but chose not to.
    I've quoted before a person whose politics I detest - Bill Maher - but he once observed that when ANY nation holds power over the world, they kick the #### out of it (my words).
    He said no superpower in history has tried so hard to trod so lightly on the rest of the world (his words). That's noble.
    I love the natural beauty of this country. When you get out and travel, you're bound to meet a lot of #######s - but you'll be amazed by the people.
    Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong". Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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