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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    If there was remotely a free market in energy nuke .... These things are driven by geopolitics.

    How is Atomic Power use, driven by Geopolitics ?


    other than when Oil is $ 35 bucks a barrel, it is not cost affect to build Nuclear Power Plants - but then nor is it cost effective to Frack either
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    I guess I'll give this a go. You think all the dollars associated with the cost of nuke power are all proper, necessary and smart? How about waste disposal? Or re-use?

    Nuke is only as expensive as it is to protect oil and gas and coal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    I guess I'll give this a go. You think all the dollars associated with the cost of nuke power are all proper, necessary and smart? How about waste disposal? Or re-use?
    You're speaking too black and white. Waste disposal is a cost because of the politics associated with Yucca Mountain, to be sure, exacerbated by Pres Jimmy Carter's non-proliferation edict that we not use reprocessed fuel (something France does and creates only 4% of the waste per MW that we do). So, of course there are political forces involved.

    But, why do we use nuclear? Market forces ("too cheap to meter"). Why do we use nukes for base-load? Market forces. Why do nukes shut down when they do for refueling outages? Market forces. Why do nuclear operators make more money than fossil fuel plants? Market forces. Why do gas plants beat out coal plants? Market forces.

    It just works the way it works, with far too much politicization. But, if solar were actually better idea than nuclear, do you know what would be the proof of that? You guessed it, market forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    Nuke is only as expensive as it is to protect oil and gas and coal.


    based on what data ? [that is some alex jones level tinfoil hattery]

    a nuclear melt down is a bit more serious, so the regulations governing operation are a bit steeper ....
    - thereby more costly to operate than a Fossil Fuel Power Plant and the back end support from mines or refineries
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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post
    based on what data ? [that is some alex jones level tinfoil hattery]

    a nuclear melt down is a bit more serious, so the regulations governing operation are a bit steeper ....
    - thereby more costly to operate than a Fossil Fuel Power Plant and the back end support from mines or refineries
    I gotta hand it to you and TP...

    You guys put more effort back into this that I would have.

    When I see the words "Bush 43" "Capitalist" or "Geo-Political" come up in a response, I know where it's headed and I find other entertainment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishbone View Post
    When I see the words "Bush 43" "Capitalist" or "Geo-Political" come up in a response, I know where it's headed and I find other entertainment.



    Indeed ....
    Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
    - Robert J. Hanlon.

    “There is a deeply anti-democratic undercurrent to much of the criticism of the new president, borne aloft by an assumption that democracy is too important to be left to the voters.”

    And if a statue can oppress you, then I submit that you have greater issues. - A West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyjo View Post
    Ok...so this is stupid post of the day (GURPS' dumbass poll numbers would have been first...but he simply won't/can't understand that Rasmussen is flawed...then again GURPS doesn't care...he is only about posting propaganda...like this piece)...

    Anyway...so here is why your post is stupid:

    1. You point that the minimum income earner's pay is lost due to higher product costs...why is that stupid? Because there is not one bit of data in the article or in any article that shows the entire cost of living goes up because the min wage does.

    2. The taxes of those min wage workers have not gone up. They are paying the same percentage...they have MORE dollars in their pockets for the same amount of work. They are NOT worse off...

    That was a really dumb post...
    I bet you were a real biatch before they flunked you out of elementary school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    EVERYONE is on their own. Major corporations with lots to spend on politicians get special treatment, but that is not my thing to defend, it's the politician's. I don't agree with that.
    You defeat your own point.

    EVERYONE is on their own....except the major players who make the entire markets who are...not on their own.
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  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Wishbone View Post
    I gotta hand it to you and TP...

    You guys put more effort back into this that I would have.

    When I see the words "Bush 43" "Capitalist" or "Geo-Political" come up in a response, I know where it's headed and I find other entertainment.


    Then go find it. There's a tiki bar thread for morons like you. Run along. There's no need for you to declare you don't find elevated conversation entertaining let alone comprehensible. So, great. You're leaving now. So git.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post
    based on what data ? [that is some alex jones level tinfoil hattery]

    a nuclear melt down is a bit more serious, so the regulations governing operation are a bit steeper ....
    - thereby more costly to operate than a Fossil Fuel Power Plant and the back end support from mines or refineries
    TP's post #33 explains just the surface costs of nuke that have NOITHING to do with nuke costs. Nuke power is FAR cheaper and cleaner than coal and gas and oil but it comes at enormous cost; all those other jobs.
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