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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    You're speaking too black and white. Waste disposal is a cost because of the politics associated with Yucca Mountain, to be sure, exacerbated by Pres Jimmy Carter's non-proliferation edict that we not use reprocessed fuel (something France does and creates only 4% of the waste per MW that we do). So, of course there are political forces involved.

    But, why do we use nuclear? Market forces ("too cheap to meter"). Why do we use nukes for base-load? Market forces. Why do nukes shut down when they do for refueling outages? Market forces. Why do nuclear operators make more money than fossil fuel plants? Market forces. Why do gas plants beat out coal plants? Market forces.

    It just works the way it works, with far too much politicization. But, if solar were actually better idea than nuclear, do you know what would be the proof of that? You guessed it, market forces.
    No. If solar were FAR cheaper it would be artificially manipulated, like nuke, like gas and oil, to try and find some sort of balance. How far off do you suppose solar storage is whereby your panels charge batteries that can run the home all night and on cloudy days? Do you think everyone is going to just watch the entire grid go away and not shift costs onto solar, as was done with nuke, to seek balance? Do you suppose the reasons we're still blaming Jimmy Carter is because no one wants to do anything about it? That they know it would crush a lot of other jobs in other power sources?

    This market you speak of is not free or open. It's controlled and it's done for good reasons from jobs to economic stability to geo politics. It's a market alright but it ain't free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    Then go find it. There's a tiki bar thread for morons like you. Run along. There's no need for you to declare you don't find elevated conversation entertaining let alone comprehensible. So, great. You're leaving now. So git.


    You were a lot more intelligent and rational before this Pat Buchanan, Oliver Stone Conspiracy Bender you went on.

    WTF happened to you? Bad alcohol? terrorist kidnapping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishbone View Post


    You were a lot more intelligent and rational before this Pat Buchanan, Oliver Stone Conspiracy Bender you went on.

    WTF happened to you? Bad alcohol? terrorist kidnapping?
    Alien abduction....'swat I heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post

    How far off do you suppose solar storage is whereby your panels charge batteries that can run the home all night and on cloudy days?



    that tech has been around a while now ..... its bloody expensive and the batteries only last about 5 yrs

    The LiPo based Tesla Wall Pack could finally change that - longevity and maybe cost
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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post
    that tech has been around a while now ..... its bloody expensive and the batteries only last about 5 yrs

    The LiPo based Tesla Wall Pack could finally change that - longevity and maybe cost
    Costs are coming down but the cost of a complete battery plus charge controller plus inverter large enough to run the average house is still huge. And there is the issue of battery life...

    Imagine the nightmare of every home jam packed with a bank of storage batteries that have to be replaced regularly.

    Hydrogen storage technologies might offer the solution....eventually. Even more expensive now though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishbone View Post


    You were a lot more intelligent and rational before this Pat Buchanan, Oliver Stone Conspiracy Bender you went on.

    WTF happened to you? Bad alcohol? terrorist kidnapping?
    Or, another version of events is that you haven't learned a damn thing the last 16 years.
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    My bad... Gilligans right!



    And they left the probe in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Costs are coming down but the cost of a complete battery plus charge controller plus inverter large enough to run the average house is still huge. And there is the issue of battery life...

    Imagine the nightmare of every home jam packed with a bank of storage batteries that have to be replaced regularly.

    Hydrogen storage technologies might offer the solution....eventually. Even more expensive now though...
    Case in point.


    One of my uncles built a home in Maine some 20 odd years ago that cost nearly $100k more than a typical house of the same square footage built in Maine. He spent the extra dough on engineering and architects and inverters and batteries and tanks and solar panels and far more insulation than the norm.

    The next? He LONG since got his money back, including various upgrades over the years in inverters and batts. Had we, as a society, been willing to promote this sort of thinking anyone who could afford a $100k house 20 some odd years ago could have afforded his house if we took into account the electrical savings and those savings been used to pay P/I on the difference AND the houses would ALL be better and keep on giving. However, our model is NOT to have things last let alone pay for themselves. The grid wasn't built for efficiency or savings. It was built for jobs and a certain amount of economic growth associated with that. We do NOT want too good or too efficient.

    Another cool fact about his home? He's replaced ONE panel in all that time and the net output of these 20 year old panels is HIGHER than when they were installed. Can't have that either!

    Point being we're not about best. We're about most jobs and most opportunities for those who buy and maintain gummint to get their monies worth and then some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    You defeat your own point.

    EVERYONE is on their own....except the major players who make the entire markets who are...not on their own.
    You're suggesting it is acceptable they cheat. It's not.

    Meanwhile, even with the cheaters, other people go from obscurity to immense wealth and success. It is not players who make up the entire markets, they simply influence it. And, their influence is not total control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    Case in point.


    One of my uncles built a home in Maine some 20 odd years ago that cost nearly $100k more than a typical house of the same square footage built in Maine. He spent the extra dough on engineering and architects and inverters and batteries and tanks and solar panels and far more insulation than the norm.

    The next? He LONG since got his money back, including various upgrades over the years in inverters and batts. Had we, as a society, been willing to promote this sort of thinking anyone who could afford a $100k house 20 some odd years ago could have afforded his house if we took into account the electrical savings and those savings been used to pay P/I on the difference AND the houses would ALL be better and keep on giving. However, our model is NOT to have things last let alone pay for themselves. The grid wasn't built for efficiency or savings. It was built for jobs and a certain amount of economic growth associated with that. We do NOT want too good or too efficient.

    Another cool fact about his home? He's replaced ONE panel in all that time and the net output of these 20 year old panels is HIGHER than when they were installed. Can't have that either!

    Point being we're not about best. We're about most jobs and most opportunities for those who buy and maintain gummint to get their monies worth and then some.
    I've completed the detail engineering for off grid hybrid systems going back probably 10 years at least. I know a little about them.
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