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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    I think the "schooling" part comes from the demonstration that Nye thinks science is a matter of voting - more scientists he knows believe one thing, so it must be true - as compared to Happer using the scientific method.
    Happer would be better put to use advocating which toilet paper is softer. His point was 100% valid and accurate; Paris is Munich in the exact same sense that it was feckless and does nothing. He made the point but isn't the sort of personality to handle Nye firmly let alone 4 people ganging up on him. CNN's mistake here was in allowing a gang up on a senior citizen.

    Nye, to his credit, gave a virtuoso performance in non sequiturs as debate. From his 'science is decided by democratic process' to his dismissal of the bad models to his absolute assertion, without saying it, that even if there IS warming it MUST be bad. And his grand finale that science IS political, I mean, science people ought to try and get him to make much better arguments than this non sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    How so?
    I'd have to go find the links to his war with a couple bloggers who exposed him for what he actually is ; a huckster, liar, plagiarist and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clem72 View Post
    Well I wouldn't go so far as to call him a fraud, I would just say he is propped up a bit more than should be the case given his credentials. He is charismatic, has a good speaking voice, and I think he makes a good host for science programming (or whatever programming). But I don't think his opinions on XX scientific topic of the day is worth any more than anyone else's, and I don't think his opinion about politics should matter more either.

    It's like expecting Bill Shatner to be an expert on the ISS or the Mars Rovers because he played captain Kirk.
    I don't understand. Tyson, being a science guy, a real one, unlike Nye the NOT Science Guy, has, in all my experiences, spoken like an actual scientist; you only make claims that are supportable, anything that is conjecture or opinion is expressed as just that. He has a piece out there now lamenting how un-scientific we are these days and while you could take it as an allusion to the talking points that that means Trump, I've heard him hold the alarmists accountable, too; that consensus, that votes, that popularity for a given hypothesis do NOT make it scientifically fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    Happer would be better put to use advocating which toilet paper is softer. His point was 100% valid and accurate; Paris is Munich in the exact same sense that it was feckless and does nothing. He made the point but isn't the sort of personality to handle Nye firmly let alone 4 people ganging up on him. CNN's mistake here was in allowing a gang up on a senior citizen.

    Nye, to his credit, gave a virtuoso performance in non sequiturs as debate. From his 'science is decided by democratic process' to his dismissal of the bad models to his absolute assertion, without saying it, that even if there IS warming it MUST be bad. And his grand finale that science IS political, I mean, science people ought to try and get him to make much better arguments than this non sense.
    Nye's audience is clueless about scientific methods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    I'd have to go find the links to his war with a couple bloggers who exposed him for what he actually is ; a huckster, liar, plagiarist and more.
    I'll go search it up because I am genuinely interested. I love the guy. If you have a favorite showing your point, please do share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Nye's audience is clueless about scientific methods.
    And THAT is unconscionable. I get it that CNN wants it's guests to present opposing views but Nye's latest assertion, the Chicken Little Crews latest assertion, that the rate of change in terms of CO2 concentration is the cause for alarm MUST then, scientifically, be challenged. What is the rate of change and why is it bad? Or good? It is sad that otherwise well intentioned people would have put so much stock and reputation on an assertion that amounts to opening the door, declaring 'Weather!' and hoping to cause everyone to freak out.

    Yeah, weather, and......and what? What we have is a situation where so many people have gone out on that limb that they MUST force it out, MUST find support and science ain't gonna help them. It is STILL just as plausible that man made CO2 concentrations are a net plus OR meaningless as it is that it is BAD and EOTWAWKI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Nye's audience is clueless about scientific methods.
    On that note, I would enjoy Mr Nye sticking his head on a vat of molten lead and show us uneducated folk how long the Liedenfrost Effect will protect him.
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    So far, I've found two clear quacks who are anti NDT; one is splitting hairs on GMO v. 'traditional' genetic modification, arguing semantics Neil does not assert. The other is some dude who shows a bio...from a movie site...referencing Tyson's bio on it that lists him as an...actor...which, in context of the movie site and his work in a few flicks would follow. He's trying to assert that Tyson does not have a BA in Physics, masters in astronomy and a masters in astrophysics' all easily provable facts.

    So, the kook-iverse holds some non fans, it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Nye's audience is clueless about scientific methods.
    I don't think so. And THAT is the problem; he, you, me, we all know DAMN well the basics of the scientific method.


    You make an assertion, conduct experiments to prove or disprove your hypothesis and publish your results. I can then, doubting you, take your research, your experiments and repeat them and find you're either full of it or you are correct. There is no wiggle room in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    There is no wiggle room in it.
    There's always wiggle room. You could, for instance, run an experiment a dozen times by governments and major corporations and repeatedly find statistically relevant data, and be completely written off by the scientific community because your data goes against their preconceived notions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF_res...avity_thruster

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