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    Former Obama Official: Climate Data Purposely Manipulated

    Former Obama Official: Climate Data Purposely Manipulated to Influence Public Opinion and Policy


    Via Daily Caller:

    Former Energy Department Undersecretary Steven Koonin told The Wall Street Journal Monday that bureaucrats within former President Barack Obama’s administration spun scientific data to manipulate public opinion.

    “What you saw coming out of the press releases about climate data, climate analysis, was, I’d say, misleading, sometimes just wrong,” Koonin said, referring to elements within the Obama administration he said were responsible for manipulating climate data.

    He pointed to a National Climate Assessment in 2014 showing hurricane activity has increased from 1980 as an illustration of how federal agencies fudged climate data. Koonin said the NCA’s assessment was technically incorrect.

    Koonin is not the only one claiming wrongdoing. House lawmakers with the Committee on Science, Space and Technology, for instance, recently jumpstarted an investigation into NOAA after a whistleblower said agency scientists rushed a landmark global warming study to influence policymakers.
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    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...shold-for-co2/

    The world just passed another round-numbered climate milestone. Scientists predicted it would happen this year and lo and behold, it has.

    On Tuesday, the Mauna Loa Observatory recorded its first-ever carbon dioxide reading in excess of 410 parts per million (it was 410.28 ppm in case you want the full deal). Carbon dioxide hasn’t reached that height in millions of years. It’s a new atmosphere that humanity will have to contend with, one that’s trapping more heat and causing the climate to change at a quickening rate.

    In what’s become a spring tradition like Passover and Easter, carbon dioxide has set a record high each year since measurements began. It stood at 280 ppm when record keeping began at Mauna Loa in 1958. In 2013, it passed 400 ppm. Just four years later, the 400 ppm mark is no longer a novelty. It’s the norm.

    “Its pretty depressing that it’s only a couple of years since the 400 ppm milestone was toppled,” Gavin Foster, a paleoclimate researcher at the University of Southampton told Climate Central last month. “These milestones are just numbers, but they give us an opportunity to pause and take stock and act as useful yard sticks for comparisons to the geological record.”

    Earlier this year, U.K. Met Office scientists issued their first-ever carbon dioxide forecast. They projected carbon dioxide could reach 410 ppm in March and almost certainly would by April. Their forecast has been borne out with Tuesday’s daily record. They project that the monthly average will peak near 407 ppm in May, setting a monthly record.

    Carbon dioxide concentrations have skyrocketed over the past two years due to in part to natural factors like El Niño causing more of it to end up in the atmosphere. But it’s mostly driven by the record amounts of carbon dioxide humans are creating by burning fossil fuels.

    “The rate of increase will go down when emissions decrease,” Pieter Tans, an atmospheric scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said. “But carbon dioxide will still be going up, albeit more slowly. Only when emissions are cut in half will atmospheric carbon dioxide level off initially.”

    Even when concentrations of carbon dioxide level off, the impacts of climate change will extend centuries into the future. The planet has already warmed 1.8°F (1°C), including a run of 627 months in a row of above-normal heat. Sea levels have risen about a foot and oceans have acidified. Extreme heat has become more common.

    All of these impacts will last longer and intensify into the future even if we cut carbon emissions. But we face a choice of just how intense they become based on when we stop polluting the atmosphere.

    Right now we’re on track to create a climate unseen in 50 million years by mid-century.

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    I'd like to see a million years worth of climate date ....

    otherwise, more hyperbole from people wanting more research money

    Also you FAILED to address the OP





    Four Reasons Why 400 ppm CO2 Is Not A Problem


    The Sky Fell last month, but almost nobody noticed.

    The sky fell on Hawaii last month, all because carbon dioxide levels peeped above the much-hyped 400 ppm hurdle. Chicken Littles all over the world squawked into their friendly media megaphones about numerous imminent global warming disasters. One warned: “the fate of the world hangs in the balance.” (Similar alarms were rung when the 350 ppm level was passed).

    But nobody else noticed anything scary.

    Four pieces of well-established evidence say that 400 ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not a concern.



    Is CO2 a pollutant?


    Does CO2 always correlate with temperature (and if not, why not?)

    There's no correlation between CO2 and temperature

    "Twentieth century global warming did not start until 1910. By that time CO2 emissions had already risen from the expanded use of coal that had powered the industrial revolution, and emissions only increased slowly from 3.5gigatonnes in 1910 to under 4gigatonnes by the end of the Second World War.

    It was the post war industrialization that caused the rapid rise in global CO2 emissions, but by 1945 when this began, the Earth was already in a cooling phase that started around 1942 and continued until 1975. With 32 years of rapidly increasing global temperatures and only a minor increase in global CO2 emissions, followed by 33 years of slowly cooling global temperatures with rapid increases in global CO2 emissions, it was deceitful for the IPCC to make any claim that CO2 emissions were primarily responsible for observed 20th century global warming." (Norm Kalmanovitch).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post

    Also you FAILED to address the OP
    She always does. And...the current CO2 levels are a scant fraction of what they've been at various times over the history of the planet.
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    Carbon dioxide hasn’t reached that height in millions of years. It’s a new atmosphere that humanity will have to contend with, one that’s trapping more heat and causing the climate to change at a quickening rate.

    This is NOT proved or supported by science, at all. Science does show that CO2 levels follow temp rise, to some extent. This does not address how CO2, heavier than O2, creates some mythical dome of death, the totally MISLABLED 'greenhouse' effect. And it does not address what it means, this quickening rate that has become the meme du jour from the Chicken Little crowd and their Disciple Nye.


    And it does NOT address the realty that MORE CO2 helps plant growth, greatly. That plants absorb and use CO2. That more vegetation may very likely help moderate the climate on the planet.

    And it does not....oh, ####ing never mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post
    This is NOT proved or supported by science, at all. Science does show that CO2 levels follow temp rise, to some extent.
    Exactly. CO2 levels rise as global surface temps rise. That much is known. The AGW crew desperately wants to reverse the connection between those two to make CO2 the causal factor. Not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Exactly. CO2 levels rise as global surface temps rise. That much is known. The AGW crew desperately wants to reverse the connection between those two to make CO2 the causal factor. Not.
    I swear to ghod. The first one said to the second one "We need a bogey man. We need something that sounds scary, people kinda know enough to be vaguely aware yet totally susceptible to falling for it, like Sushi...hmmm...black rifle is taken....What about CO2???"

    The second one said "I dunno...I missed 4th grade photosynthesis..."

    "Perfect! Everyone did!"


    Bogeyman:


    CO2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gude View Post


    Obama and the EPA:


    CO2


    :fixed:
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    Carbon Dioxide and the Ocean

    Studies of the CO2 emission and absorption have shown that the tropical seas emit CO2 and the cold, sinking, north Pacific and Atlantic absorb CO2. This has even been mapped. This is all due to the variation in CO2 solubility with temperature.

    The sea surface CO2 partial pressure is always very close to the CO2 partial pressure in the atmosphere above it. The sea surface is always in equilibrium with the atmosphere. This means that as we add CO2 in burning fossil fuels, some is taken up by the land biosphere. The remainder CO2 is dissolved and added to the CO2 reservoir in the surface waters. The mixed layer in the ocean is the top 20 to 200 meters, depending on the amount of wave and current mixing. That mixed layer is about 1/50th of the ocean volume. It contains roughly the same amount of CO2 as the atmosphere, as dissolved inorganic carbon (DIC). The difference, whether the ocean is emitting CO2 or absorbing it, is driven by temperature. As can be seen in the above figures, an El Niño can drive 2 or 3 Gigatons of carbon into the atmosphere and a La Niña can take it right out again. The rise in CO2 is due to rising SST, not fossil fuel burning.


    Sunspots and Sea Surface Temperature

    .............................................



    Increased Sun Spot Activity Releases Trapped CO2 From the Oceans which the earth was in from Aprox 2000
    - all along Al Gore's the earth was in a period of increased Sunspot activity which release stored CO2

    [we are now in a cooling trend since 2011? IIRC]

    2016 was marked down as the lowest point in the declining cycle on sunspots and surprise it's no longer 'Global Warming' but Climate Change ...

    the 1970s was supposed to be the start of the next ice age
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    I would have thought they would have focused on dihydrogen monoxide as the evil in the atmosphere. It sounds so much more sinister than carbon dioxide.
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