Comey's Empty Gun

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Now, only after Comey was fired, the memo magically surfaces in an inflammatory New York Times report which alleges that Mr. Trump asked Comey to end the Michael Flynn investigation.

Those who don’t know the first thing about the law immediately began hurling words like “obstruction of justice”, “high crimes and misdemeanors” and “impeachment“. Typically, these people don’t know what they don’t know.

Here is what we do know.

Under the law, Comey is required to immediately inform the Department of Justice of any attempt to obstruct justice by any person, even the President of the United States. Failure to do so would result in criminal charges against Comey. (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361) He would also, upon sufficient proof, lose his license to practice law.

So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ? If not, it calls into question whether the events occurred as the Times reported it.

Obstruction requires what’s called “specific intent” to interfere with a criminal case. If Comey concluded, however, that Trump’s language was vague, ambiguous or elliptical, then he has no duty under the law to report it because it does not rise to the level of specific intent. Thus, no crime.

There is no evidence Comey ever alerted officials at the Justice Department, as he is duty-bound to do. Surely if he had, that incriminating information would have made its way to the public either by an indictment or, more likely, an investigation that could hardly be kept confidential in the intervening months.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/16/gregg-jarrett-comeys-revenge-is-gun-without-powder.html
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
All Trump has to do is release his tapes and he can put Comey away.

I keep wondering where are Mr. Comey's memo's on why he decided to lay out Hillary's crimes, but decided no prosecutor would prosecute her.
Who told Comey to lay low on Hillary?

If we are going to use Mr. Comey's Memo's. Let's see them all.

Let's not be selective .
 

awpitt

Main Streeter
I keep wondering where are Mr. Comey's memo's on why he decided to lay out Hillary's crimes, but decided no prosecutor would prosecute her.
Who told Comey to lay low on Hillary?

If we are going to use Mr. Comey's Memo's. Let's see them all.

Let's not be selective .

I'm fine with that.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Comey’s Conundrum


Mr. Smartypants may have outsmarted himself. James Comey has painted himself into a corner by indirectly leaking a memorandum to the New York Times (a person who read the memorandum shared excerpts from it to reporter Michael Schmitt), and may even have placed himself in legal jeopardy. Gregg Jarrett of Fox News, a former defense attorney, explains:

Under the law, Comey is required to immediately inform the Department of Justice of any attempt to obstruct justice by any person, even the President of the United States. Failure to do so would result in criminal charges against Comey. (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361) He would also, upon sufficient proof, lose his license to practice law.

So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ? If not, it calls into question whether the events occurred as the Times reported it.

Obstruction requires what’s called “specific intent” to interfere with a criminal case. If Comey concluded, however, that Trump’s language was vague, ambiguous or elliptical, then he has no duty under the law to report it because it does not rise to the level of specific intent. Thus, no crime.

There is no evidence Comey ever alerted officials at the Justice Department, as he is duty-bound to do. Surely if he had, that incriminating information would have made its way to the public either by an indictment or, more likely, an investigation that could hardly be kept confidential in the intervening months.
 

b23hqb

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
I keep wondering where are Mr. Comey's memo's on why he decided to lay out Hillary's crimes, but decided no prosecutor would prosecute her.
Who told Comey to lay low on Hillary?

If we are going to use Mr. Comey's Memo's. Let's see them all.

Let's not be selective .

:yay: Yeah, buddy.
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
Comey’s Conundrum


Mr. Smartypants may have outsmarted himself. James Comey has painted himself into a corner by indirectly leaking a memorandum to the New York Times (a person who read the memorandum shared excerpts from it to reporter Michael Schmitt), and may even have placed himself in legal jeopardy. Gregg Jarrett of Fox News, a former defense attorney, explains:

Under the law, Comey is required to immediately inform the Department of Justice of any attempt to obstruct justice by any person, even the President of the United States. Failure to do so would result in criminal charges against Comey. (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361) He would also, upon sufficient proof, lose his license to practice law.

So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ? If not, it calls into question whether the events occurred as the Times reported it.

Obstruction requires what’s called “specific intent” to interfere with a criminal case. If Comey concluded, however, that Trump’s language was vague, ambiguous or elliptical, then he has no duty under the law to report it because it does not rise to the level of specific intent. Thus, no crime.

There is no evidence Comey ever alerted officials at the Justice Department, as he is duty-bound to do. Surely if he had, that incriminating information would have made its way to the public either by an indictment or, more likely, an investigation that could hardly be kept confidential in the intervening months.

thats hillarious..... Comey might have broken the law BY NOT REPORTING TRUMP FOR BREAKING THE LAW. talk about a conundrum. In order for Comey to have done anything wrong trump would have to have been guilty of obstruction. On the flip side, if comey didn't see that as direct obstruction this could be used with other evidence to establish trumps real motive for firing Comey.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
thats hillarious..... Comey might have broken the law BY NOT REPORTING TRUMP FOR BREAKING THE LAW. talk about a conundrum. In order for Comey to have done anything wrong trump would have to have been guilty of obstruction. On the flip side, if comey didn't see that as direct obstruction this could be used with other evidence to establish trumps real motive for firing Comey.

No, in order for Comey to have done anything wrong, he would have had to have believed Trump was trying to obstruct and did not report it (regardless of what Trump actually did), or, he would have had to have NOT believed Trump did anything wrong but wrote an official memo to file (or to whomever) while acting in his official duty as FBI director saying Trump did, which would mean it was an official document on which he blatantly lied.

Comey's opinion would mean the same as yours, mine, or Beulah McGillicuddy from Topeka's opinion with respect to Trump's real motive.
 

officeguy

Well-Known Member
Now, only after Comey was fired, the memo magically surfaces in an inflammatory New York Times report which alleges that Mr. Trump asked Comey to end the Michael Flynn investigation.

Those who don’t know the first thing about the law immediately began hurling words like “obstruction of justice”, “high crimes and misdemeanors” and “impeachment“. Typically, these people don’t know what they don’t know.

Here is what we do know.

Under the law, Comey is required to immediately inform the Department of Justice of any attempt to obstruct justice by any person, even the President of the United States. Failure to do so would result in criminal charges against Comey. (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361) He would also, upon sufficient proof, lose his license to practice law.

So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ? If not, it calls into question whether the events occurred as the Times reported it.

Obstruction requires what’s called “specific intent” to interfere with a criminal case. If Comey concluded, however, that Trump’s language was vague, ambiguous or elliptical, then he has no duty under the law to report it because it does not rise to the level of specific intent. Thus, no crime.

There is no evidence Comey ever alerted officials at the Justice Department, as he is duty-bound to do. Surely if he had, that incriminating information would have made its way to the public either by an indictment or, more likely, an investigation that could hardly be kept confidential in the intervening months.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/16/gregg-jarrett-comeys-revenge-is-gun-without-powder.html

That's funny. You engage in Internet lawyering to complain about Internet lawyering.
 

h3mech

Active Member
see that is double edge sword, if he releases the tape then they know he is recording then they can ask for other recordings. the left are the obstruction force to POTUS, which I think he is doing a wonderful job, my 401k has increased over 15,000 dollars since he came into office, if they would let him pass the healthcare I would have more money i my pocket. I read an article yesterday that said that most Americans think that they are strangers in our own country

All Trump has to do is release his tapes and he can put Comey away.
 

officeguy

Well-Known Member
Where did he do that? I only see a quote from something written by someone else...who is a lawyer.

Written by a lawyer who has no facts and is just throwing spagetti against the fridge like everyone else.

You cut+paste something without adding your own comment or opinion suggests that you made it your own.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
:killingme


the progpress and Congress Critters have been blathering for 2 days now ... about 'facts' relating to Trumps 'obstruction'
 

Restitution

New Member
In order for Comey to have done anything wrong trump would have to have been guilty of obstruction.

Kind of like....

In order for the Russians to have interfered in the US elections by leaking Hillary's irresponsible disclosure of classified information and emails, HRC would have to be guilty of leaking classified information and mishandling classified emails.

Something like that? :shrug:
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
Kind of like....

In order for the Russians to have interfered in the US elections by leaking Hillary's irresponsible disclosure of classified information and emails, HRC would have to be guilty of leaking classified information and mishandling classified emails.

Something like that? :shrug:

Its EXACTLY like that.
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
So riddle me this....

Why do we not hear that viewpoint in the MSM? Why is it all about how "Trump colluded with the Russians to sabotage the elections" but there is never a mention of HRC's role in that?
maybe because Hillary isn't president. You certainly heard about it plenty before the election.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
You certainly heard about it plenty before the election.

From who/where? Certainly none of the media that are non-stop blathering about anything negative for Trump. Hil was "their gal" and they made sure she was protected by saying...nothing. Unless, of course, they were actively defending her..they did do a lot of that.
 
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