Budget Slashes Programs for Poor, Spares Elderly

The headlines make it sound cold and callous, but when you stop and look at the details you realize it isn't designed to put the poor and working class starving in the gutter, but rather to get them into the workforce and able to provide for themselves. Common sense. Why isn't everyone excited and on board...:confused:



http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...while-largely-sparing-older-people/ar-BBBqkQp

In that sense, the plan, which was quickly denounced by several organizations and congressional Democrats, would align government spending with the views of senior administration officials like Ben Carson, the head of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and Mick Mulvaney, the White House budget director, who maintain that too much help to the poor is creating dependency on the government and discouraging work.

“We are no longer going to measure compassion by the number of programs or the number of people on those programs,” Mr. Mulvaney said Monday. “We are going to measure compassion and success by the number of people we help get off of those programs and get back in charge of their own lives.”

Conservatives cheered the proposals.

“The way that the left approaches it is as if any spending level in the current system that has ever been attained is sacrosanct, and they will fight to the death to maintain that even if the programs are of pretty dubious value,” said Robert Rector, a senior research fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation who specializes in welfare and poverty. “If you look at cash, food and housing for families with children, the total spending is roughly twice what is needed to raise every single child above the poverty level.”
 

Clem72

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What's that proverb. Something about teach a man to fish, or maybe it was give a man a fish and tomorrow he will ask for two.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
If I may ...

The headlines make it sound cold and callous, but when you stop and look at the details you realize it isn't designed to put the poor and working class starving in the gutter, but rather to get them into the workforce and able to provide for themselves. Common sense. Why isn't everyone excited and on board...:confused:

Because there are no jobs. The manufacturing sector in this country has been decimated. Manufacturing, and exporting, good quality goods is what made this country great and allowed people to earn enough to live and raise their families.
There is some hope though ...

"With this letter, we intend to notify not just Congress, but all our trading partners, that free and fair trade is the new standard for U.S. trade deals. Since the signing of NAFTA, we have seen our manufacturing industry decimated, factories shuttered, and countless workers left jobless. President Trump is going to change that. I look forward working with the President, Ambassador Lighthizer, and our counterparts from Mexico and Canada, to find a solution that is both fair and beneficial for all parties."

But it will take quite a long time to reverse what has happened and restore factories. But to have balance, other factories in other countries must be shuttered for ours to take hold and pay good wages, else, a bottoming out in prices to the point of low or no profit. Import duties must also be used to further encourage purchasing of US made goods at home.

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Chris0nllyn

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If I may ...



Because there are no jobs. The manufacturing sector in this country has been decimated. Manufacturing, and exporting, good quality goods is what made this country great and allowed people to earn enough to live and raise their families.
There is some hope though ...

"With this letter, we intend to notify not just Congress, but all our trading partners, that free and fair trade is the new standard for U.S. trade deals. Since the signing of NAFTA, we have seen our manufacturing industry decimated, factories shuttered, and countless workers left jobless. President Trump is going to change that. I look forward working with the President, Ambassador Lighthizer, and our counterparts from Mexico and Canada, to find a solution that is both fair and beneficial for all parties."

But it will take quite a long time to reverse what has happened and restore factories. But to have balance, other factories in other countries must be shuttered for ours to take hold and pay good wages, else, a bottoming out in prices to the point of low or no profit. Import duties must also be used to further encourage purchasing of US made goods at home.

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Manufacturing jobs/factory jobs will never return to the US as they once were.
 

This_person

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Manufacturing jobs/factory jobs will never return to the US as they once were.

Nor service industry jobs, nor tech jobs....they've all changed.

But, with tariffs on imports that match the tariffs on our exports to the same countries, we have a chance at evening the balance again.
 

black dog

Free America
If I may ...



Because there are no jobs. The manufacturing sector in this country has been decimated. Manufacturing, and exporting, good quality goods is what made this country great and allowed people to earn enough to live and raise their families.
There is some hope though ...

"With this letter, we intend to notify not just Congress, but all our trading partners, that free and fair trade is the new standard for U.S. trade deals. Since the signing of NAFTA, we have seen our manufacturing industry decimated, factories shuttered, and countless workers left jobless. President Trump is going to change that. I look forward working with the President, Ambassador Lighthizer, and our counterparts from Mexico and Canada, to find a solution that is both fair and beneficial for all parties."

But it will take quite a long time to reverse what has happened and restore factories. But to have balance, other factories in other countries must be shuttered for ours to take hold and pay good wages, else, a bottoming out in prices to the point of low or no profit. Import duties must also be used to further encourage purchasing of US made goods at home.

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Don't kid yourself that there is no jobs, we have factorys in Indiana that constantly are looking for employees. Jobs that are 12 to 30+ dollars a hour. Jobs that will train you for skilled a labor job. One bigger problems is so many just don't want to work once they figure out how to live on state / Federal giveaways along with free food at the MANY food banks that are available.
And add another huge portion of the workforce that wants to work but doesn't have transportation to get the 10 to 30 miles to the jobs that are available to go to work.
Once you leave the city's that have 25000 plus population, there is no public transportation available.
I live in a town of 5,000 we have no bus service, and 12 miles away is a town of 50,000 and jobs.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
What's that proverb. Something about teach a man to fish, or maybe it was give a man a fish and tomorrow he will ask for two.

It goes like this: "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day"
 

Chris0nllyn

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What of all those jobs currently filled by illegals who will soon be vacating those positions?

According to the National Academies of Sciences Engineering and Medicine, not much would change.

Among the report’s key findings and conclusions:


•When measured over a period of 10 years or more, the impact of immigration on the wages of native-born workers overall is very small. To the extent that negative impacts occur, they are most likely to be found for prior immigrants or native-born workers who have not completed high school—who are often the closest substitutes for immigrant workers with low skills.


•There is little evidence that immigration significantly affects the overall employment levels of native-born workers. As with wage impacts, there is some evidence that recent immigrants reduce the employment rate of prior immigrants. In addition, recent research finds that immigration reduces the number of hours worked by native teens (but not their employment levels).


•Some evidence on inflow of skilled immigrants suggests that there may be positive wage effects for some subgroups of native-born workers, and other benefits to the economy more broadly.


•Immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the U.S.


•In terms of fiscal impacts, first-generation immigrants are more costly to governments, mainly at the state and local levels, than are the native-born, in large part due to the costs of educating their children. However, as adults, the children of immigrants (the second generation) are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population, contributing more in taxes than either their parents or the rest of the native-born population.


•Over the long term, the impacts of immigrants on government budgets are generally positive at the federal level but remain negative at the state and local level — but these generalizations are subject to a number of important assumptions. Immigration’s fiscal effects vary tremendously across states.
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=23550
 

Chris0nllyn

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Nor service industry jobs, nor tech jobs....they've all changed.

But, with tariffs on imports that match the tariffs on our exports to the same countries, we have a chance at evening the balance again.

We also have a chance at paying more for goods.
 

Wishbone

New Member
To the extent that negative impacts occur, they are most likely to be found for prior immigrants or native-born workers who have not completed high school—who are often the closest substitutes for immigrant workers with low skills.

And these are the same group progs claim to always be protecting.
 

black dog

Free America
Manufacturing jobs/factory jobs will never return to the US as they once were.

Labor costs were dick in 1940.. and Manufacturing has changed considerable in the past 75 years. Just look at a modern CNC Mill and what just one can machine in a single shift compared to how many a manual mill can do in a shift.
What a new mill can do in 15 seconds would take hours to do manually.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
We also have a chance at paying more for goods.

That raises an interesting point. Is that simply a cost we should be willing to bear?...or is it all only about keeping consumers supplied with minimum cost goods no matter where they are produced?
 

Chris0nllyn

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Labor costs were dick in 1940.. and Manufacturing has changed considerable in the past 75 years. Just look at a modern CNC Mill and what just one can machine in a single shift compared to how many a manual mill can do in a shift.
What a new mill can do in 15 seconds would take hours to do manually.

Right, which is why manufacturing jobs will never return to what they were. Regardless of the constant repetition of the old "Manufacturing jobs returning to the US" by politicians over and over again.
 

Wishbone

New Member
So... Do we make up the imbalance by holding up prices for exports of food stuff?

We don't seem to make ANYTHING of any quantity anymore that the rest of the world wants or needs.
 

Chris0nllyn

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That raises an interesting point. Is that simply a cost we should be willing to bear?...or is it all only about keeping consumers supplied with minimum cost goods no matter where they are produced?

That is the question, isn't it?

Years ago, in the height of the "higher minimum wage" kick, Peter Schiff went to a Wal-Mart and asked shoppers if they supported the idea of paying workers more money. Most agreed, but changed their tune when Peter asked them to give 10% more to account for those higher wages. You can imagine what happened...

 

stgislander

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I'm sure some of the folks on here read Sounding - Trade Only magazine. Every month, companies involved in the recreational boating industry nationwide are moaning about finding people to fill open positions for technicians and other service personnel. And practically all of the companies are willing to train people.

Now if I was a youngster right of of high school or college, wanting to live in a warm climate, and work on boats and yachts all day this is where I'd be heading. In fact, I think one of the community colleges in either the Northern Neck or Middle Peninsula VA offers a marine mechanic program.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
That is the question, isn't it?

Years ago, in the height of the "higher minimum wage" kick, Peter Schiff went to a Wal-Mart and asked shoppers if they supported the idea of paying workers more money. Most agreed, but changed their tune when Peter asked them to give 10% more to account for those higher wages. You can imagine what happened...

That's just one many similar demonstrations that I've heard of. Everyone wants things to improve...but never directly at their own expense. Everyone wants "others" to pay their "fair share" but insist what they themselves are paying is already too much.
 
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