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    Single-payer healthcare plan advances in California Senate — without a way to pay its $400-billion

    Single-payer healthcare plan advances in California Senate — without a way to pay its $400-billion tab


    A proposal to adopt a single-payer healthcare system for California took an initial step forward Thursday when the state Senate approved a bare-bones bill that lacks a method for paying the $400-billion cost of the plan.

    The proposal was made by legislators led by Sen. Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens) at the same time President Trump and Republican members of Congress are working to repeal and replace the federal Affordable Care Act.

    “Despite the incredible progress California has made, millions still do not have access to health insurance and millions more cannot afford the high deductibles and co-pays, and they often forgo care,” Lara said during a floor debate on the bill.

    The bill, which now goes to the state Assembly for consideration, will have to be further developed, Lara conceded, adding he hopes to reach a consensus on a way to pay for it.

    Republican senators opposed the bill as a threat to the state’s finances.

    “We don’t have the money to pay for it,” Sen. Tom Berryhill (R-Modesto) said. “If we cut every single program and expense from the state budget and redirected that money to this bill, SB 562, we wouldn’t even cover half of the $400-billion price tag.”
    We’re tempted to suggest a conspiracy here — but it’s just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply can’t conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

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    Am I reading this right - that the cost, which is more than twice California's yearly budget - is computed by assuming the federal government will kick in?

    Who does this kind of thing?
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    Am I reading this right - that the cost, which is more than twice California's yearly budget - is computed by assuming the federal government will kick in?

    Who does this kind of thing?
    Moronic Cali legislators voted in by moronic voters. Let them secede, please. Just keep San Diego.
    "In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    Who does this kind of thing?


    Progressives that think MONEY Grows on Trees .........
    CA could confiscate all of Apples off shore money, and only fund this a 1/2 a yr
    We’re tempted to suggest a conspiracy here — but it’s just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply can’t conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

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    Too bad California has to be sacrificed to show the rest of the country what a bad idea single-payer is.

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    I guess in simplest terms as I can see - they have a yearly budget (which is running a deficit) of under 200 billion.
    The estimate here is twice that - and THAT is assuming Uncle Sam is helping to pay.

    I keep trying to find some other angle I've missed - but I can't.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    Am I reading this right - that the cost, which is more than twice California's yearly budget - is computed by assuming the federal government will kick in?

    Who does this kind of thing?
    Insane liberals. http://nypost.com/2017/05/22/ny-dems...r-health-care/

    Friedman acknowledged Albany would have to hike taxes by $92 billion — more than doubling New York’s heaviest-in-the-nation state burden — to make up for the premiums companies and their employees would no longer be paying. But he insists most New Yorkers would be better off, in large part because the new taxes on payroll and investment income would be steeply progressive, conveniently shoving most of the cost onto a wealthy minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJ View Post
    What luck that it's California which is the state that has to be sacrificed to show the rest of the country what a bad idea single-payer is.


    I went ahead and fixed that.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxick View Post
    I went ahead and fixed that.

    HEY!

    Don't mention it.
    I hope they enjoy their rationed contracted out health care and international call centers. Vets will probably get better health care than the average resident. Fine by me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post

    ?? ? That's crazy - don't people learn you can't overtax the rich by that much - or they will just - LEAVE?

    It's happening next door in Connecticut, where they are losing population due to move outs, and have lost a lot of tax revenue as a consequence.
    Of course, WE remember what happened to Maryland when O'Malley had his millionaire's tax - and lost money because they left.

    Which is even dumber because - many of the very rich have more than one home. All they have to do to avoid taxes in a given state - most of the time -
    - is spend more of their time in ANOTHER home in another state. It's a change on PAPER, mostly.

    It's never intelligent to base your budget on taxing a small fraction of the population.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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