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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    A fiercely proud and nationalistic country (going back many centuries), led to believe that they would be free to establish an independent country following WWII, after decades of colonial rule, fought tenaciously for more than 20 straight years all outside attempts by foreign nations (French and, later, US-led coalition) to subsequently deny them that. And eventually won.

    That's the simple history in a too-short summary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyOps View Post
    Is it worth American lives?
    Nothing in that region is worth American lives but until we get over this aversion to just nuking the #### out of it and quieting it down, we end up sending troops to all these ####holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyOps View Post
    Is it worth American lives?
    Depends. How far does China want to go? And how will it affect us?

    The problem for us is not China's land grab; it's their mission creep that could turn out to be our problem. And, like Hitler, if you wait too long to address it, it gets out of control and now #### has to hit the fan.

    Ya gotta nip it...in the bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    I appreciate your thumbnail sketch.
    I've probably read more books on that particular little country and their wars than any other topic save WWII. Complex subject and takes some real digging to get even a half-assed grasp of it all.

    As an aside, it looks like we'll soon have a ship building project or three in Vietnam. The shipyard in question is located in Vung Tau..the beautiful seafront location where our military built the famous R&R facility of "China Beach" fame. I'm really looking forward to working there. It's an increasingly popular seaside resort town now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishbone View Post
    Nothing in that region is worth American lives ....


    It is my understanding there are vast untapped OIL Reserves ..... which as I understand it, is China's motivation to bother
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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post

    It is my understanding there are vast untapped OIL Reserves ..... which as I understand it, is China's motivation to bother
    Might be true but not worth American lives
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyOps View Post
    Is it worth American lives?
    Now, or later?
    There are only two possibilities; one is that we are alone in the universe, the other is that we are not.
    Both are terrifying.

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    Well nobody has mentioned North Korea.A place I would like to see China take control of. But would they stop with N. Korea or take S. Korea too.
    Of course we will interfere if they move on Japan, and I believe we will interfere if they move on Formosa-Taiwan.
    If they move on Vietnam and we supply Vietnam like they did when we went there they will have a mouth full, but it will b a terrible war of attrition where Civilian lives mean nothing, fact is if China invades anywhere there is going to be a lot of atrocities.
    The we have to think what will the world do if Chin makes it's move.? Which side will the Russians get on.
    Europe has nothing. They are old retired and being taken over by Muslims. Europe is a push over.
    Australia may help as self-defense and South America is too busy peddling drugs to be of any use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    And if so..why? And..at what point, if ever? Like WWII in Europe...Hitler kept taking..a little here..a bunch there...

    And maybe "so what" if China ends up controlling that entire region of the world. Except Japan?...or including Japan? Australia would be OK, right?...or not? Malaysia and Indonesia? China claims islands that are part of the PI...what about them? Or just assume the PI will become part of the Chinese empire...
    We have so poorly weighed the benefit/risk factor. We have been in the mideast for nearly 16 years now, and it has only gained us more chaos and death there. We have gained not one benefit for our blood. I loathe thinking about getting mixed up with a country like China, given how we are fighting wars these days.
    "Never let the old man in." - Clint Eastwood quoting an old friend

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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    Depends. How far does China want to go? And how will it affect us?

    The problem for us is not China's land grab; it's their mission creep that could turn out to be our problem. And, like Hitler, if you wait too long to address it, it gets out of control and now #### has to hit the fan.

    Ya gotta nip it...in the bud.
    I happen to think the problem for us, is we have developed a ####ty strategy for fighting wars. We don't fight to win. We seem to fight to achieve some short term objective that only results in long term failure.
    "Never let the old man in." - Clint Eastwood quoting an old friend

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