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    VA to rethink compensation?

    This should get interesting.

    It’s time to rethink a veteran disability system that "incentivizes disability," Veterans Affairs Secretary David Shulkin said during a Friday forum in Washington, the same day President Trump signed new VA accountability legislation.

    “Our current disability system that is designed from 50, 60 or 70 years ago….. I would suggest it’s not sustainable and it may not be achieving the results of well-being for our veterans,”
    change is a coming
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    It clearly states in the linked article that financial compensation is not involved in the evaluation.

    “Our system incentivizes disability, when our system should be incentivizing health and well-being. That doesn’t mean pulling back disability compensation benefits, he said."

    Besides, cutting benefits to veterans and not doing anything to the welfare system would cause chaos!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Restitution View Post
    It clearly states in the linked article that financial compensation is not involved in the evaluation.

    “Our system incentivizes disability, when our system should be incentivizing health and well-being. That doesn’t mean pulling back disability compensation benefits, he said."

    Besides, cutting benefits to veterans and not doing anything to the welfare system would cause chaos!
    "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.". Politicians lie all the time. Just give them a little time.

    There are 8 times as many food stamp recipients as there are VA benefit recipients. 47 million folks make a lot more noise than 5.5 million.
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    It needs to change, they need to hire more investigators and do better checking on recievers of benefits. It's as easy as sitting in your local VFW and listen...
    I have a neighbor that's a maxed out 100% disabled tan card holder, three kids,wife,two dogs and a huge oxy, Vicodin problem. Wife is full time care giver lol and gets a check from SS or another gov Dept.
    Says he blew out his knees and back with his 3 years on a Navy ship in the eighty's.
    But he was doing local karate and MMA fighter up until two or three years ago.
    He has no problems doing drug induced kata's at 2am in his backyard.
    But yet he somehow qualifies for over 3 grand a month.

    Then there the ever present veteran that repeatedly tells you how to beat and abuse the va's hearing tests in order to get a few hundred a month..

    Yes I understand that we need to take Top Shelf care of our Veterans, as long as they were damaged in the line of duty. Or it can be proven later that the injury occurred from service duty.
    But it's just run amuck that your 214 says you were in good health when you were discharged.. but 20 years later you can't hear or walk because of the mos you had during your time of service..And now you receive a these benefits... That in alot of cases you don't deserve.
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    I know a guy who was diagnosed by 3 separate doctors (1 of them a VA doc) with DEGENERATIVE discs in his back due to service related work. He was granted a 30% disability. This guy has twice weekly appointments with doctors and chiropractors to treat the problems with the 30% covering about 80% of the expenses.

    5 years later he got a letter from the VA stating he was downgraded to 10% without a re-screening.

    How exactly does a DEGENERATIVE problem get better to warrant a benefits decrease? Doesn't the word DEGENERATIVE, by its very definition, mean the problem will only get worse???
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    I don't know. But that's only one side of the story..

    Edit.. maybe they found its a genetic disease in his family and his service had nothing to do with it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by black dog View Post
    I don't know. But that's only one side of the story..
    Ummm... kinda like your stories in Reply #4?

    Edit.. maybe they found its a genetic disease in his family and his service had nothing to do with it...
    Its not. Directly related to multiple back injuries in the service (and documented)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Restitution View Post
    Ummm... kinda like your stories in Reply #4?



    Its not. Directly related to multiple back injuries in the service (and documented)
    Absolutely it's just my side of the story..
    And if it's related to his service than GD it he shouldn't have to fight for his compensation.
    I'm certainly not putting him down, and if that's how I'm coming across please forgive me. That's not what I meant.
    Anyone that's been damaged in the line of duty should be taken care of buy the best,,,, in the best.. For some things we should be ashamed of as a Country, other things we need to reign in and eliminate within the VA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by black dog View Post
    It needs to change, they need to hire more investigators and do better checking on recievers of benefits.

    Then there the ever present veteran that repeatedly tells you how to beat and abuse the va's hearing tests in order to get a few hundred a month..
    I agree 100%. It isn't that hard to get a 30% disability. There are a million and one lawyers out there who will tell you exactly how to do it. It really bothers me that so many people abuse the system. Get rid of those types and beef up the disability benefits for those who truly deserve it.
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    black dog, I appreciate you concern over "un-deserving" veterans taking advantage of the VA. However, not all injuries are immediately disabling. Some most certainly take time to become disabling. Just because an in-service injury has healed or isn't disabling and doesn't become disabling until years later, should not and does not, exclude the veteran from compensation. The underlying injury has happened. Even if healed, it's most likely not completely healed and susceptible to further injury. Also some injuries can have a sort of domino effect. For example, you injure your right knee in-service. After time, because the knee injury affects your gait, you start having back problems, ie. DDD of the L3-L4. This will likely further affect your gait causing injury to your left knee, but also compress your nerve root at the L3-L4 causing partial paralysis(loss of feeling, sensation of pins and needles, burning sensation) in one or both of your legs. Do you not think the veteran should also be compensated for these conditions arising out of the original injury?

    I would like to point out that the DD214 doesn't indicate your medical condition at discharge (unless you're medically discharged or medically retired but will only indicate so, not the medical conditions). Your discharge physical is what indicates, if any, medical conditions you have/had. The VA will look at your discharge physical and Service Treatment Records. Unless the injury/condition has a paper trail leading to your time in the military, a veteran will not be granted compensation for said injury/condition. For those secondary injuries in my example, linking the injuries to the original requires a Dr.'s opinion that they are related. I would concede there are some Dr.'s out there who mainly write IMO's (Independent Medical Opinions) for veterans. I question the legitimacy of these IMO's, as they may not be on the up-and-up and should be scrutinized.

    It's not as easy as one would think to get VA compensation. The VA doesn't just nilly-willy grant compensation. There has to be evidence of the in-service injury. If, after time, the injury becomes worse, compensation should increase. Even in your story of the guy doing karate, the VA rates the disability, absent of the effects of being controlled by medication.
    Anyone who tells you that the negative is not just as important as the positive has obviously never jump-started their car.

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