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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Now that's thinking outside of the box!
    Or use a Hovercraft and deliver the customers to inland locations.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by officeguy View Post
    I doubt there would be enough traffic year around to make this viable. How much would it be worth to you to cut those 4hrs in half ? $129 ? $59?
    The NC State ferries, WA State ferries and Alaska marine highway are all subsidized infrastructure measures. As there are already roadto the eastern shore, there is no reason for MDOT to subsidize a ferry.
    The TJ bridge is a good example of where this area ranks in terms of "need" according to the SHA. So your point is well taken.

    Gilligan hits on the other point, the NIMBY effect. There would be a lot of questions (but few answers) on where the needed infrastructure (and water access) would go.

    Something tells me that the initial demand might be high, but it would fall off rapidly once time and cost were compared to the drive alternative.

    First you have to line up early to get ready to load the boat. Then the loading time, followed by the transit time and then the off loading.

    How long does it take a ferry, large enough to carry vehicles, to cross the bay?
    What are the sea state limits (or is it bay state limits before the ferry has to cancel?

    I would love it, but agree that it is highly impracticable.
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  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by BernieP View Post

    Something tells me that the initial demand might be high, but it would fall off rapidly once time and cost were compared to the drive alternative.

    First you have to line up early to get ready to load the boat. Then the loading time, followed by the transit time and then the off loading.

    How long does it take a ferry, large enough to carry vehicles, to cross the bay?
    What are the sea state limits (or is it bay state limits before the ferry has to cancel?

    I would love it, but agree that it is highly impracticable.
    That was my question. If you live in Mechanicsville or Leonardtown and have to drive to the ferry access, wait, get loaded, cross the bay and then drive from that offload point, be it near Cambridge or Crisfield, to the beach, what time are you saving? Sure it's a less hectic commute, but after a few times people will think it doesn't save as much time AND they can't stop wherever they want at the outlets or Annapolis going to and from. It won't make sense from purely a beach travel/weekend driven business and seems like it would need daily drivers to make it work.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by tipsymcgee View Post
    That was my question. If you live in Mechanicsville or Leonardtown and have to drive to the ferry access, wait, get loaded, cross the bay and then drive from that offload point, be it near Cambridge or Crisfield, to the beach, what time are you saving? Sure it's a less hectic commute, but after a few times people will think it doesn't save as much time AND they can't stop wherever they want at the outlets or Annapolis going to and from. It won't make sense from purely a beach travel/weekend driven business and seems like it would need daily drivers to make it work.
    There is really nothing to be gained heading to the eastern shore. Mechanicsville --> Accomack co is about a 4hr drive whether you go via Annapolis or Norfolk (I have done both). Unless its one of those 40kt superfast ferrries, the crossing takes at least 2hrs. I have taken car-ferries around the country and in europe, even in the most efficient loading schemes there is always a bit of a delay between showing up at the dock and driving on board. At best, I could see a gain of an hour. There are a couple of days a year when the bay bridge is a mess when a ferry could gain you several hours, but a couple of days a year a business case does not make.

    Now I have thought about standing up an Air-taxi out of St Marys Co airport. A 9 seat Cessna Caravan with a belly pod to offer fixed price feeder service to Dulles and and corporate shuttle to the tidewater area and up to New Jersey. Occasionally there may even be the friday afternoon customer who would want to go from Alexandria to Ocean City. I didn't further look into it because it would be insane ;-)
    Last edited by officeguy; 07-05-2017 at 10:12 PM.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by officeguy View Post
    Now I have thought about standing up an Air-taxi out of St Marys Co airport. A 9 seat Cessna Caravan with a belly pod to offer fixed price feeder service to Dulles and and corporate shuttle to the tidewater area and up to New Jersey.
    talk about opportunity and wasted money. We, the taxpayers, built a nice new terminal and there isn't a sniff of some kind of air service.
    I remember before the ATC strike there were shuttle services from small airports to the Intl ones. Parking at the local airport was free and the cost of the shuttle often was rolled into you ticket by the main carrier.

    Why don't we have some kind of air service up and down the the east coast. Say no more than a 90 minute one way flight.

    How many people working at Pax River take an long as drive and spend 3 days for a one day face to face meeting - all because their isn't any commercial rail or air service.

    Hotel room for a night is upwards of $100.
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  6. #46
    How much would a charter type flight from St. Marys International to Ocean City's Airport cost?

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by BernieP View Post
    talk about opportunity and wasted money. We, the taxpayers, built a nice new terminal and there isn't a sniff of some kind of air service.
    I remember before the ATC strike there were shuttle services from small airports to the Intl ones. Parking at the local airport was free and the cost of the shuttle often was rolled into you ticket by the main carrier.
    That terminal is just a sad waste of state aviation funds (which paid for most of it). These days it isn't even used for the regular passenger traffic in and out of the airport. The chamber of commerce has a $5 million office building provided by the airport and the civil air patrol uses it for their meetings.

    One reason this worked in the past was that you didn't need a security checkpoint to operate commuter air operations. Now that threshold is at 9 passengers, so unless you fly really small planes (like the Caravan or a PC12) you need a full-up TSA checkpoint with 20 government drones pulling a salary to process 3 flights a day. Also, before deregulation airlines were able to apply for a fare from lets say Easton to Chicago and wrap the price for the commuter into the total regulated ticket price.

    There are similar vacant terminals in Cumberland and Easton, but neither of them is as sad as the one at 2W6.

    Why don't we have some kind of air service up and down the the east coast. Say no more than a 90 minute one way flight.
    The short answer is: Because it is not commercially viable without government subsidies. St Marys is less than 50 miles from BWI and DCA and as such doesn't qualify for essential air service subsidies. With those subsidies, it could make sense to fly a shuttle up to Dulles to connect to international flights. Even Steny can't fix that.

    How many people working at Pax River take an long as drive and spend 3 days for a one day face to face meeting - all because their isn't any commercial rail or air service.

    Hotel room for a night is upwards of $100.
    Not enough business to make it work. Salisbury is probably the smallest airport that can sustain a commercial operation, and even that is iffy with 3 flights to Charlotte and 4 flights to Philly.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by ltown81 View Post
    How much would a charter type flight from St. Marys International to Ocean City's Airport cost?
    Depends on how many people. Unless you have some sort of scheduled service where the return legs are occupied as well, the customer would pay both legs. Lets say you take a King Air 90 for 6-8 passengers from St Marys (2W6) to Ocean City (KOXB) it is about 20 minutes pure flying time. With startup and shutdown it would probably be about an hour of flight time for the retun trip. That kind of plane charters for about $1200-1600/hr so a weekend trip (friday afternoon outbound, sunday evening return) would set you back about 3 grand. There are about 5 families in St Marys county willing to burn that kind of moolah on a trip to Ocean City or Rehoboth.

    There are charter flights into 2W6 for business at PAX. If it is an entire team that needs to be moved from New Jersey to PAX, a company may use a charter rather than paying 6 people several per-diems and hotels for some on-site work. There is just not that much call for charter out of St Marys.

  9. #49
    Does anybody really still go to the cest pool known as Ocean City if so why?

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    Bring up a Google map of SOMD and look at it. there's nothing to connect to Rt.50 on the Eastern shore. Cove Point across to nothing, anything lower St.Mary's across goes to nothing. North Beach to Cambridge maybe by way of the Choptank?
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