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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn View Post
    The proposed solar farm this thread is about will utilize single axis tracking systems.
    Yea, I picked up on that. Exactly why I specified better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LightRoasted View Post
    If I may ...



    It's exactly what it is. When I signed up for electricity, I just wanted them to calculate my total monthly usage for any 30-31 day period. Visit my house once a month for the before and after read. That's it. If I wanted my electrical usage to be monitored by the minute, and reported to a data collection server every five minutes, that also could determine when I was home or away from home, and down to what kind of appliance I had in my home, to when my A/C unit kicked in and for how long, as well as my refrigerator, or electric stove/oven, or any other electrical device, I would have asked for it. I didn't ask for it. It would have been forced on me to be basically spied upon unless I pay them to leave the meter on my house that has been there since the house was built. These capital credits could have been used to pay the $2.1 million per year for the meter readers. SMECO BS talks all high and mighty about how home owners will be able to order electrically "a la carte". Really? When the average monthly usage is 1300 kwh? So maybe someone could save $2-$5 a month? I also do not give a s*it, zero, about what my neighbor's usage is, or isn't. All the reasons given by SMECO to have these "smart meters" installed in dumb home owner's houses and businesses are all BS! But you go ahead and believe everything SMECO tells you. Just like you believe everything the government tells you.
    You're pissiness towards SMECO has nothing to do with my comment. I did not say I agree with it, but it is what it is. Don't like it, F--it, turn it off and figure out something else. Lots of ways to go off the grid.
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    You're pissiness towards SMECO has nothing to do with my comment. I did not say I agree with it, but it is what it is. Don't like it, F--it, turn it off and figure out something else. Lots of ways to go off the grid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TPD View Post
    Concerning my comment about solar farms starving us - it is my opinion that solar panels are not the best use of tillable land. Some solar projects I have seen take the flattest most fertile ground out of production.
    Just to revisit this with additional info.

    Mr. Musk had a comment that the news covered today (that I have heard in the past) that it would take a total of 100 miles x 100 miles (10k SqMi) to power the entirety of the United States. That's a huge area, but pretty insignificant if spread across the roof tops and along the highways of the US.

    But what if, as you mention, it wasn't. What if all six million four hundred thousand acres was placed on the most prime currently in-use farm land?

    Well, according to the USDA we have approximately 922 million acres of farmland in the US. So the impact would be, about one half of one percent. So not enough to starve us out of existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clem72 View Post
    Just to revisit this with additional info.

    Mr. Musk had a comment that the news covered today (that I have heard in the past) that it would take a total of 100 miles x 100 miles (10k SqMi) to power the entirety of the United States. That's a huge area, but pretty insignificant if spread across the roof tops and along the highways of the US.
    There certainly are large areas of pretty economically useless and arid land...placing solar arrays on those makes a lot more sense than forcing their existence in areas like our where land is extraordinarily valuable.

    Of course if we're going to have anything remotely near 100% of our energy come from solar sources (or even 25% of it) , there will have to be some pretty dramatic advances in energy storage to make it possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn View Post
    Got my SMECO bill today.

    My Capital Credit Refund was a whopping $0.97
    Don't spend it all in one place. Spread that new found wealth around!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clem72 View Post
    Just to revisit this with additional info.

    Mr. Musk had a comment that the news covered today (that I have heard in the past) that it would take a total of 100 miles x 100 miles (10k SqMi) to power the entirety of the United States. That's a huge area, but pretty insignificant if spread across the roof tops and along the highways of the US.

    But what if, as you mention, it wasn't. What if all six million four hundred thousand acres was placed on the most prime currently in-use farm land?

    Well, according to the USDA we have approximately 922 million acres of farmland in the US. So the impact would be, about one half of one percent. So not enough to starve us out of existence.
    I think his numbers are off. According to a (horrible) 2015 study, it would take 335,000 onshore wind turbines, 154,000 offshore wind turbines, 75 million residential photovoltaic systems, 2.75 commercial photovoltaic systems, 46,000 utility-scale photovoltaic facilities, 3,600 concentrated solar power facilities with onsite heat storage, and a massive array of underground thermal storage facilities to power the US solely from renewables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    There certainly are large areas of pretty economically useless and arid land...placing solar arrays on those makes a lot more sense than forcing their existence in areas like our where land is extraordinarily valuable.

    Of course if we're going to have anything remotely near 100% of our energy come from solar sources (or even 25% of it) , there will have to be some pretty dramatic advances in energy storage to make it possible.
    Agreed. Just pointing out that even if we somehow did decide to put in all of that solar, and only used prime farm land, that it still wouldn't measurably impact our ability to produce food.

    But as you said, most large scale installation will go in areas not best suited for farming while most small scale will go on peoples roofs, and neither will reach any significance until we get cheap storage.

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