‘White Rabbit’ Just Dropped 28,000 Hillary Private Emails Online

GURPS

INGSOC
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Breaking=> Anon Twitter Acct ‘White Rabbit’ Just Dropped 28,000 Hillary Private Emails Online


A mysterious IT specialist, who goes by the name The Forensicator, published a detailed report that appears to disprove the theory that the DNC was hacked by Russia.

The documents were copied on July 5th, five days before Seth Rich was murdered.

The Forensicator summarized the complex report into 10 bullet points.

The most important aspect about the report is the “estimated speed of transfer (23 MB/s)” at which the documents were copied. It’s inconceivable DNC documents could have been copied at such speed from a remote location.

Importantly, The Forensicator concluded that the chance that the files had been accessed and downloaded remotely over the internet were too small to give this idea any serious consideration. He explained that the calculated transfer speeds for the initial copy were much faster than can be supported by an internet connection.

This is extremely significant and completely discredits allegations of Russian hacking made by both Guccifer 2.0 and Crowdstrike.

This conclusion is further supported by analysis of the overall transfer rate of 23 MB/s. The Forensicator described this as “possible when copying over a LAN, but too fast to support the hypothetical scenario that the alleged DNC data was initially copied over the Internet (esp. to Romania).” Guccifer 2.0 had claimed to originate in Romania. So in other words, this rate indicates that the data was downloaded locally, possibly using the local DNC network. The importance of this finding in regards to destroying the Russian hacking narrative cannot be understated.

If the data is correct, then the files could not have been copied over a remote connection and so therefore cannot have been “hacked by Russia.”

The use of a USB drive would also strongly suggest that the person copying the files had physical access to a computer most likely connected to the local DNC network. Indications that the individual used a USB drive to access the information over an internal connection, with time stamps placing the creation of the copies in the East Coast Time Zone, suggest that the individual responsible for initially copying what was eventually published by the Guccifer 2.0 persona under the title “NGP-VAN” was located in the Eastern United States, not Russia.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
And the Guccifer story would have a protective cover to hide whomever on the DNC team was the actual leaker? Then the question becomes, who created the Guccifer narrative?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
And the Guccifer story would have a protective cover to hide whomever on the DNC team was the actual leaker? Then the question becomes, who created the Guccifer narrative?



Roger Stone apparently had some contact with Guccifer 2.0 ....
 

Clem72

Well-Known Member
From Wikipedia:
"According to a top made by Akamai in Q3 2016, Romania is ranked 10th in the world and 1st in Europe in terms of average Internet peak connection speed with 85 Mbit/s."

23MB/s = 184Mbit. Keep in mind the US "average" internet speed was 11.9Mbit during the same time frame (source Wikipedia) and even here in little ole SOMD have access to 150Mbit with Metrocast. Gigabit (1000Mbit) is available to home users all over Romania. But perhaps most damming is that I can run speedtests to Romanian servers (on speedtest.net) and get ~130Mbit on my 150Mbit connection. So 23MB/s is not only doable, it's doable by your average basement dwelling Romanian hacker.

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Just wanted to edit to add I am not supporting the claim this was done by Russians, just pointing to the fact that the claim 23MB/s from the east coast of the US to Romania is not possible, is patently false.
 
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itsbob

I bowl overhand
From Wikipedia:
"According to a top made by Akamai in Q3 2016, Romania is ranked 10th in the world and 1st in Europe in terms of average Internet peak connection speed with 85 Mbit/s."

23MB/s = 184Mbit. Keep in mind the US "average" internet speed was 11.9Mbit during the same time frame (source Wikipedia) and even here in little ole SOMD have access to 150Mbit with Metrocast. Gigabit (1000Mbit) is available to home users all over Romania. But perhaps most damming is that I can run speedtests to Romanian servers (on speedtest.net) and get ~130Mbit on my 150Mbit connection. So 23MB/s is not only doable, it's doable by your average basement dwelling Romanian hacker.

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Just wanted to edit to add I am not supporting the claim this was done by Russians, just pointing to the fact that the claim 23MB/s from the east coast of the US to Romania is not possible, is patently false.

Is that their download or their upload speed...

If you were in Romania, you'd be downloading FROM the DNC server and would take a hit from THEIR server and their internet upload speed.. You can't go faster than the DNC connection or their maximum upload speed.

Romania can have the fastest servers on the planet, and that would be great communicating from Romania to Romania, but communicating anywhere else you'd be choked by the other end.

Kind of like a Fire Department hooking up a fire hose to the spicket on the side of your house.. Really doesn't matter how big THEIR hose is.. you're only going to get so much water.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
From Wikipedia:
"According to a top made by Akamai in Q3 2016, Romania is ranked 10th in the world and 1st in Europe in terms of average Internet peak connection speed with 85 Mbit/s."

23MB/s = 184Mbit. Keep in mind the US "average" internet speed was 11.9Mbit during the same time frame (source Wikipedia) and even here in little ole SOMD have access to 150Mbit with Metrocast. Gigabit (1000Mbit) is available to home users all over Romania. But perhaps most damming is that I can run speedtests to Romanian servers (on speedtest.net) and get ~130Mbit on my 150Mbit connection. So 23MB/s is not only doable, it's doable by your average basement dwelling Romanian hacker.

EDIT---

Just wanted to edit to add I am not supporting the claim this was done by Russians, just pointing to the fact that the claim 23MB/s from the east coast of the US to Romania is not possible, is patently false.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/megabits-vs-megabytes/

What Does It All Mean

Anyway, here we stand today, with the delineation clear: Bandwidth is measured in bits, storage capacity in bytes. Simple, but what can be confusing is when we mix the two. Let’s say your network upload speed is 8 Mbps (megabits per second), that means that the absolute most you can upload is 1 MB (megabyte) of data from your hard drive per second. Megabits versus Megabytes, remember to keep the distinction in your head as you see how fast data moves over your network or to the Internet

So, if I read this right, to download 23 megabytes per second, you need eight times that in megabits per second, or 184 megabytes per second..... so you needed a connection almost 16 times faster than the American average at the time, and more than twice as fast as the current peak Romanian speed today. So if that's true, then it seems pretty reasonable that it was an inside job.
 

Clem72

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If you were in Romania, you'd be downloading FROM the DNC server and would take a hit from THEIR server and their internet upload speed.. You can't go faster than the DNC connection or their maximum upload speed.

Understood. But the DNC is not running on NMCI (or other generic slow government internet connection), and most corporate networks have a much faster connection to the internet than your typical home internet connection, with equally high bi-directional transfer rates (no 150/15 bs).

Regardless, I was arguing the assertion that (quoted from the original post) "the calculated transfer speeds for the initial copy were much faster than can be supported by an internet connection". You will note it doesn't say by the DNC's internet connection, likely because he doesn't know what connection speed they have, so he defaulted to an (incorrect) argument about maximum speeds.
 

Clem72

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https://www.backblaze.com/blog/megabits-vs-megabytes/



So, if I read this right, to download 23 megabytes per second, you need eight times that in megabits per second, or 184 megabytes per second..... so you needed a connection almost 16 times faster than the American average at the time, and more than twice as fast as the current peak Romanian speed today. So if that's true, then it seems pretty reasonable that it was an inside job.

Swing.....and a miss. first 23 megabytes is 184 megaBITS (but whatever, you had the right idea). The average connection speed information was for end users, and was meant to support the idea that an end user in Romania could easily be expected to download at those speeds, and I pointed out that we very nearly can do so in SOMD despite the us rate being 11.9 (basically showing that the average is an artificially low number, and their average is very high).

But as itsbob pointed out, all of that information doesn't really figure into the US side of the equation because that is limited by the DNC's corporate internet connection. Which is almost certainly an order of magnitude greater than what is needed to support this data rate. I was installing 10Gbit internet connections for businesses in flyover states a decade ago.
 

officeguy

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23MB/s across the DNCs firewall, their end user internet connection to a end user overseas. Doesn't sound likely.

However, I hardly think it is the smoking gun folks want to make it. You hijack a machine inside the DNC network, download the emails to that box and compress/encrypt the archive for export. Any speed data stamped into the emails would reflect the link from the DNC server to the hijacked workstation, not the speed of the pipe to some internet cafe in Elbonia.

I still believe that this was an inside job, possibly by a former IT service provider who decided to keep a copy of the email archive for future mischief. Eventually the data made it to Russia and back, but that doesn't mean the initial breach was not an inside job.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
EDIT---

Just wanted to edit to add I am not supporting the claim this was done by Russians, just pointing to the fact that the claim 23MB/s from the east coast of the US to Romania is not possible, is patently false.


you read that backwards ...........


The most important aspect about the report is the “estimated speed of transfer (23 MB/s)” at which the documents were copied. It’s inconceivable DNC documents could have been copied at such speed from a remote location.


that is exactly what The Forensicator summarized what you stated - remote copying at those speeds was unlikely ....
it was a local copy either d2d with a direct server connection
[which also would be impossible with USB 2 - it is 2 slow]

or server across the LAN to the user workstation then a USB device
 
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SamSpade

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you read that backwards ...........


The most important aspect about the report is the “estimated speed of transfer (23 MB/s)” at which the documents were copied. It’s inconceivable DNC documents could have been copied at such speed from a remote location.


that is exactly what The Forensicator summarized what you stated - remote copying at those speeds was unlikely ....
it was a local copy either d2d with a direct server connection
[which also would be impossible with USB 2 - it is 2 slow]

or server across the LAN to the user workstation then a USB device

Which frankly, to me, perfectly satisfies Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is usually the right one.
Which makes more sense - some remote nation was able to hack into the DNC server - for no obvious reason or purpose, especially in light of what they REVEALED -

Or a disgruntled Bernie supporter who worked at the DNC copied it directly and released them?
And as a consequence of DNC's behavior, Wasserman-Schultz was canned? As in - oops - these emails weren't FAKED?
Did someone have to hack into the DNC - or someone with clearance simply walked in and stuck it all on a USB drive?

(I'm not going to bring up Seth Rich right now, but his death strikes me as way too coincidental).
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Go ahead, it always makes Sappy and MR's heads explode. It's Friday, might as well end the week with a bang.

[video=youtube;znfsa1sfnIQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znfsa1sfnIQ[/video]
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Did someone have to hack into the DNC - or someone with clearance simply walked in and stuck it all on a USB drive?

(I'm not going to bring up Seth Rich right now, but his death strikes me as way too coincidental).



Most likely ....... however just to be clear,

Podesta's IT staff miss read a 'fake' Google Gmail Password Reset Notice and responded to a spear phishing attack giving up access to Podesta's Emails
 
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