The 'tremedous medical costs' of trans soldiers

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
If you believe the RAND study done last year, between 1,362 and 6,630 trans people serve in the military and costs associated with those people's transitioning would increase military spending by between $2.4 million and $8.4 million each year, or a 0.04% and 0.13% increase.

A New England Journal of Medicine study done in 2015 found that 12,800 trans people serve translating to between $4.2 million and $5.6 million extra per year in associated transition costs.

To put it in context, the military's total medical budget (via MHS) is $48 billion per year.

In order to combat erectile dysfunction, $84.24 million per year is spent on ED drugs

$115 million per year is spent shlepping pregnant women from active duty back home.






But hey, I'm sure this will totally help the GOP image and add to the list of major accomplishments by the Republicans these past few decades such as endless wars, Patriot Act [read: surveillance], awesome banking regulation changes, banning of light bulbs, and huge, ever-growing federal deficits. "We're not Hillary" only lasts so long.
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
It's hard for them to admit that it's about bigotry so they hide behind other arguments.

I've never seen anyone here challenge the Viagra budget or getting women who become pregnant to cover their own expenses.
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
So what? It's still an unnecessary expense.

So are the wars these people are fighting, but I'm not about to believe the GOP suddenly cares about budget and spending money, especially when it comes to an already bloated military.

Trans people can't fight for the country that accepts them? Where's Trump's tweet about the much larger costs of making sure GI Joe's pecker works? Or preggers women? Or never ending fighter jet programs?
 

glhs837

Power with Control
So are the wars these people are fighting, but I'm not about to believe the GOP suddenly cares about budget and spending money, especially when it comes to an already bloated military.

Trans people can't fight for the country that accepts them? Where's Trump's tweet about the much larger costs of making sure GI Joe's pecker works? Or preggers women? Or never ending fighter jet programs?

Sure they can, just don't expect that we will cover your cost and give up %30 or more of the service you enlisted for while you take time off for your transition. Get it over with beforeyou serve, or wait until your hitch is over. Want medical to pay for it? Serve 20, then get it after you entire. Saved eight and want it? Too bad.
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
Sure they can, just don't expect that we will cover your cost and give up %30 or more of the service you enlisted for while you take time off for your transition. Get it over with beforeyou serve, or wait until your hitch is over. Want medical to pay for it? Serve 20, then get it after you entire. Saved eight and want it? Too bad.

I agree 100%, but it's not fair when the DOD is paying a #### ton more for dick pills and Trump has the nerve to blame it on "tremedous costs". That's bull#### and my bet is this only came about so Trump could get the measly bit of funding for the wall he did.

While we're at it, dissolve the VA and MHS and make people pay for their own medical procedures.
 

black dog

Free America
So are the wars these people are fighting, but I'm not about to believe the GOP suddenly cares about budget and spending money, especially when it comes to an already bloated military.

Trans people can't fight for the country that accepts them? Where's Trump's tweet about the much larger costs of making sure GI Joe's pecker works? Or preggers women? Or never ending fighter jet programs?

There are literally hundreds of reasons why folks are unable to serve in the Armed Services. Something as trivial as vision issues.. I just don't see why folks with gender and or mental health issues would be allowed to enlist.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
I agree 100%, but it's not fair when the DOD is paying a #### ton more for dick pills and Trump has the nerve to blame it on "tremedous costs". That's bull#### and my bet is this only came about so Trump could get the measly bit of funding for the wall he did.

While we're at it, dissolve the VA and MHS and make people pay for their own medical procedures.

Do you think those lost manhours don't come with a cost? Has anyone broken our ED medication for A) Active duty members (hehe, I said members:)) B) Retired veterans C) Evidently, some portion of ED medication is also used to treat some circulatory disorder.
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
There are literally hundreds of reasons why folks are unable to serve in the Armed Services. Something as trivial as vision issues.. I just don't see why folks with gender and or mental health issues would be allowed to enlist.

Perhaps they, I don't know, enlisted prior, but just because someone is trans doesn't equate to mental illness.
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
Do you think those lost manhours don't come with a cost? Has anyone broken our ED medication for A) Active duty members (hehe, I said members:)) B) Retired veterans C) Evidently, some portion of ED medication is also used to treat some circulatory disorder.

Like I said, remove all military healthcare let people have their own insurance, and own doctors. Just like the rest of the country that has jobs.

Even the playing field. For everyone.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Like I said, remove all military healthcare let people have their own insurance, and own doctors. Just like the rest of the country that has jobs.

Even the playing field. For everyone.

Except those people don't have jobs that could routinely place them in a war. My job when I served had me routinely flying in an aircraft 200 over the ocean one day, screwing explosive cartridges to sensors to blow them out of the aircraft into the ocean one day, helping four other guys hoist 500lb cluster bombs to over shoulder height to attach to the bomb racks the next. And I had it pretty easy being a Cold War sort of guy. Not to mention our recent intern, a Marine combat engineer type, who got blown up twice while in Afghanistan. Normal jobs don't expose you to that sort of risk, and the sorts of injuries you might incur doing them a bit outside normal ops.
 

Chris0nllyn

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Except those people don't have jobs that could routinely place them in a war. My job when I served had me routinely flying in an aircraft 200 over the ocean one day, screwing explosive cartridges to sensors to blow them out of the aircraft into the ocean one day, helping four other guys hoist 500lb cluster bombs to over shoulder height to attach to the bomb racks the next. And I had it pretty easy being a Cold War sort of guy. Not to mention our recent intern, a Marine combat engineer type, who got blown up twice while in Afghanistan. Normal jobs don't expose you to that sort of risk, and the sorts of injuries you might incur doing them a bit outside normal ops.

If we weren'e engaged in so many needless and endless wars, maybe it would be.

You and others know the dangers when you signed up, no? If Trump, and the GOP, really cares about reducing 'tremendous costs' associated with anything the govt. does, it's a good start. It's not like the VA is some staple of great healthcare or anything.
 

Sapidus

Well-Known Member
Sure they can, just don't expect that we will cover your cost and give up %30 or more of the service you enlisted for while you take time off for your transition. Get it over with beforeyou serve, or wait until your hitch is over. Want medical to pay for it? Serve 20, then get it after you entire. Saved eight and want it? Too bad.

So by that logic should we demand women are sterilized or on birth control before they can serve so they don't become pregnant and incur extra costs?
 

glhs837

Power with Control
So by that logic should we demand women are sterilized or on birth control before they can serve so they don't become pregnant and incur extra costs?

Sure, I'll go along with that, as long as you back me in my play that any woman receiving govt assistance must be on birth control? And women or men convicted of child abuse or neglect past a certain point must be sterilized?
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
How do we do that outside of the US?

Try not having 100+ military bases around the world.

Imagine how much money we'd save! Tremedous costs.

Or, work with international healthcare accreditation organizations such as JCI and develop healthcare plans. Service members aren't the only people who require health insurance and live abroad for awhile.
 

hotbikermama40

New Member
Sure, I'll go along with that, as long as you back me in my play that any woman receiving govt assistance must be on birth control? And women or men convicted of child abuse or neglect past a certain point must be sterilized?

AND, if you are on welfare/gov't subsidies, you must stand in line, with everyone else who is receiving some form of similar assistance, piss in a cup, in front of a witness, then wait for the instant strip to show your pee-pee is clean. At that time, you must also provide documentation of three places you applied for and/or were interviewed at (for the unemployed), knowing that at any time your documentation will be looked into to make sure you're honestly reporting.

Then you may receive food stamps, your check, etc. Not some cutesy little card that looks like your not on gov't assistance because it might be embarrasing, either. An actual damn book of food stamps, or a check that is on actual paper that you have to take to the bank.

How bout that?
 

black dog

Free America
Try not having 100+ military bases around the world.

Imagine how much money we'd save! Tremedous costs.

Or, work with international healthcare accreditation organizations such as JCI and develop healthcare plans. Service members aren't the only people who require health insurance and live abroad for awhile.

I agree that we should close 80% of our overseas bases, but depending upon the size of the installation I would keep Health Care on base.
 

Sapidus

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Sure, I'll go along with that, as long as you back me in my play that any woman receiving govt assistance must be on birth control? And women or men convicted of child abuse or neglect past a certain point must be sterilized?


Why? What does that have to do with the inappropriate use of military funds or additional time of to recuperate from surgery.
 
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