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    If the child is not an illegal, the parents can always take the child with them when they are escorted home. No one is telling them "You must leave BUT, the child has to stay."

    If the child is illegal, then isn't that like saying "The police kidnapped the felon that escaped prison?" It just wouldn't make sense. False equivalent!

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    I might have asked if it was in fact, HIS daughter that was hit by a drunken illegal alien -
    Or if she was the one shot in the back by an illegal alien -
    Or if it was his wife that stabbed all his children, all here illegally -
    Or maybe his daughter murdered in an MS-13 Satanic ritual -

    I can't remember all the details - so please, enlighten me.

    Two can play that game. There's the "horror of deportation" and the horror of being killed by someone who should NEVER HAVE BEEN HERE.

    Now - that said - I think there ought to be a path for citizenship for those who have been here and demonstrated they can be good citizens;
    That they can hold a job, have an education and can take care of themselves without government support;
    But that they must in addition to going through the normal channels of citizenship should agree to some kind of service to the nation they intend to join, whether military or otherwise.
    They must agree that THIS is their nation, and not some foreign nation. This is the oath that citizens take when they are naturalized.
    Unless there's some medical reason why they can't go through this, they don't belong here at all.

    And if the situation were reversed, I can't think of any nation that would hesitate to send my ass back to my own country.
    If I'd been in their country illegally for years, I wouldn't be surprised if they told me that I could never return, either.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restitution View Post
    If the child is not an illegal, the parents can always take the child with them when they are escorted home. No one is telling them "You must leave BUT, the child has to stay."
    Are there cases/examples where the children are legal residents but the parents are not? Anyone who is a "Dreamer" is obviously not here legally except for the illegal waiver via DACA. A lot of them aren't children any more either, so...
    You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. -Frank Zappa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restitution View Post
    If the child is not an illegal, the parents can always take the child with them when they are escorted home.
    HERE'S the dilemma, because I don't have any problem with deporting whole families while the children are all still young but also here illegally -

    Many of these young people who came here illegally came here as school children and are now young adults, many of whom have graduated from school and are working on their own.
    They've spent most of their life here and have hitherto been undetected as here illegally and as many as a thousand are serving in our military.

    It would be roughly equivalent to examining my son's paperwork and determining he'd never entered here legally (which he has, but ..) and sometime when he is grown, shipping his butt back to Russia, a nation he has never known. (I say "roughly" because it's only the same in experience, not legality).

    I think a case can be made to look at individuals and see if they merit being able to stay but no blanket amnesty. Cases are resolved - support yourself, educated, no criminal record? We can put you on a path to citizenship BUT - in fairness to the millions who wait - you must EARN it. You must give your time to the nation you're choosing to enter. If that's too much to ask, then you don't belong here.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    I think a case can be made to look at individuals and see if they merit being able to stay but no blanket amnesty. Cases are resolved - support yourself, educated, no criminal record? We can put you on a path to citizenship BUT - in fairness to the millions who wait - you must EARN it. You must give your time to the nation you're choosing to enter. If that's too much to ask, then you don't belong here.
    That ^ is about where I am on the issue...and what I hope serves as the basis for compromise in the legislation that has to be passed. I'm only on that wagon if said legislation includes beefing up border security and revising (downward) immigration quotas or limits.
    You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. -Frank Zappa

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    HERE'S the dilemma, because I don't have any problem with deporting whole families while the children are all still young but also here illegally -

    Many of these young people who came here illegally came here as school children and are now young adults, many of whom have graduated from school and are working on their own.
    They've spent most of their life here and have hitherto been undetected as here illegally and as many as a thousand are serving in our military.

    It would be roughly equivalent to examining my son's paperwork and determining he'd never entered here legally (which he has, but ..) and sometime when he is grown, shipping his butt back to Russia, a nation he has never known. (I say "roughly" because it's only the same in experience, not legality).

    I think a case can be made to look at individuals and see if they merit being able to stay but no blanket amnesty. Cases are resolved - support yourself, educated, no criminal record? We can put you on a path to citizenship BUT - in fairness to the millions who wait - you must EARN it. You must give your time to the nation you're choosing to enter. If that's too much to ask, then you don't belong here.
    To use your analogies from above....

    If one of these Dreamers murdered your son when they were 14 or 15.... didn't get caught until they were 35 years old. They have a family, a good job, and so on.

    Should they be punished..... Dad?

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Restitution View Post
    To use your analogies from above....

    If one of these Dreamers murdered your son when they were 14 or 15.... didn't get caught until they were 35 years old. They have a family, a good job, and so on.

    Should they be punished..... Dad?

    Is this supposed to be a trick question? There's no statute of limitations for murder.
    The only question really should be - should he be put in jail HERE and then be shipped back home - or be shipped back home and THEN put in jail?

    My "conditions" do involve not having a criminal record. Crooks get kicked out.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    Is this supposed to be a trick question? There's no statute of limitations for murder.
    The only question really should be - should he be put in jail HERE and then be shipped back home - or be shipped back home and THEN put in jail?

    My "conditions" do involve not having a criminal record. Crooks get kicked out.
    I didn't realize there was a statute of limitations on illegals either.....

    My opinion is that illegals should be given a small grace period to complete citizenship application. If they do not want to OR if they do not complete on time.... BYE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restitution View Post
    I didn't realize there was a statute of limitations on illegals either.....

    My opinion is that illegals should be given a small grace period to complete citizenship application. If they do not want to OR if they do not complete on time.... BYE!
    Then they can hop back over the border, be "newly illegal" and be in your small grace period again. Great solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restitution View Post
    If the child is not an illegal, the parents can always take the child with them when they are escorted home. No one is telling them "You must leave BUT, the child has to stay."

    If the child is illegal, then isn't that like saying "The police kidnapped the felon that escaped prison?" It just wouldn't make sense. False equivalent!
    Actually I think they are implying that the Trump Administration will deport children, you know, like Clinton did..

    EVEN if the children are now 30 years old and have done nothing to gain citizenship.
    Nero played the fiddle, Obama danced the Tango.

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