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    Quote Originally Posted by MR47930 View Post
    If they had a LEO in an unmarked car driving up RT4 looking for cellphone use we could pay for a new bridge with the fines in a short time...
    I've bitched about distracted cell use for the last 7,8 years. Last week, I decided to count the number I see around 4pm when I am heading home, between Gate 2 and the 235/4 intersection, counted 21 on phones, 4 texting, 17 with phone on shoulder/or in hand. Quit counting at that point. I know of no one that has gotten a ticket for cell phone use, possibly one of my friends have gotten one but might be too ashamed to admit it. In my opinion, all these head-ons and single cars off into the trees can be only be explained by distracted driving, of which, cell use is the main culprit.

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    C'mon people. You can't honestly expect the sheriffs to enforce simple violations during rush hour. It is FAR too dangerous for them to be operating during that time period!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    Unless you have a medical emergency, your car will only cross the center line because you were not paying attention to your driving and were doing something else instead.



    Cops can't be everywhere and it's not their fault people drive like crap.
    That was my point. That it's a pretty safe bet that these drivers were doing something else. Coulda been adjusting the radio, or trimming their eyelashes, but Ima bet on cell phones. Which brings me to where officers can and cannot be and what is their fault. They cannot be everywhere, true, and bad driving is not their fault. And they don't decide where to spend enforcement time, the Sheriff does that, I assume based on advice from his senior traffic safety officer. But what the Sheriff could do is the decide to spend enforcement time on distracted driving. Now, he'll lose grant money, and his traffic enforcement metrics will suffer, meaning he cannot place well in the annual rodeo that is Smooth Operator, which will cost him more grant money. Because grant money flows based on amount of citations written, which is the metric used to determine performance, not crash stats, sadly. Do we want great citation numbers or safer roads? Because what they can do by enforcing the cell phone laws is practice deterrence. Just like DUI and speeding, the enforcement you practice makes a difference in how people drive.



    Quote Originally Posted by officeguy View Post
    And again, the at-fault driver walks away while another family has to bury their loved one.
    Always seems to work that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by MR47930 View Post
    If you're ever a passenger heading down 235 or RT 4 during heavy rush hour, make sure to take a look around at the other drivers as they go whizzing by. It's likely that ~30% of the folks I see aren't even looking at the road.

    If they had a LEO in an unmarked car driving up RT4 looking for cellphone use we could pay for a new bridge with the fines in a short time...
    This. Would take a very small amount of work to fit patrol car dash cams with a "side feed" from a lipstick cam mounted above the drivers side door. This distracted driving is killing people, far more than DUI, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Restitution View Post
    C'mon people. You can't honestly expect the sheriffs to enforce simple violations during rush hour. It is FAR too dangerous for them to be operating during that time period!
    Maybe Kontra will?

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    Hell... if they actually started enforcing and ticketing for improper passing, evasion of a traffic device, running red lights, and cell phone use..... we could not only expand the TJ bridge..... there could be a person in every lane handing out breakfast to drivers!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR47930 View Post
    Huh?
    Did I almost plow into you or did you almost plow into me, think you're missing a word or two in that sentence?
    Nevertheless, no, I didn't have any issues on my morning travels. I don't drive like an asshat. Always wondered why people are in such a hurry to get TO work in the morning..
    Yup, I missed a word: me.

    I was in lane 3 going the same speed as the traffic in front of me (40ish?) and the car in front of me braked hard, therefore I braked as well. I had plenty of room between the two of us, so no issues there. The big ass SUV behind me was traveling too closely and he/she almost hit me. If the travel lane wasn't free, they would have. They swerved over and then backed WAY off after that and turned off at BWW.
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    I thank your divine intervention that I was not drinking anything when I read this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseRed View Post
    Yup, I missed a word: me.

    I was in lane 3 going the same speed as the traffic in front of me (40ish?) and the car in front of me braked hard, therefore I braked as well. I had plenty of room between the two of us, so no issues there. The big ass SUV behind me was traveling too closely and he/she almost hit me. If the travel lane wasn't free, they would have. They swerved over and then backed WAY off after that and turned off at BWW.
    Nope, wasn't me. As I stated, I'm in no real hurry to get to work to jockey a desk all day so I take my sweet ass time. Plus at 0445 when I was pulling into gate 1 traffic was pretty scarce.

    Edit: I drive a big ass truck (not one of those douchbag-mobiles that blow smoke and have a Hollyrock sticker on the back). SUV's are for soccer moms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR47930 View Post

    Edit: I drive a big ass truck (not one of those douchbag-mobiles that blow smoke and have a Hollyrock sticker on the back). SUV's are for soccer moms.
    No rollin' coal?
    Quote Originally Posted by kom526 View Post
    Dear Baby Jesus lying in a crib in Bethlehem,
    I thank your divine intervention that I was not drinking anything when I read this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glhs837 View Post
    This. Would take a very small amount of work to fit patrol car dash cams with a "side feed" from a lipstick cam mounted above the drivers side door. This distracted driving is killing people, far more than DUI, I think.
    Wouldn't even need that to start out. Take the 4 most junior guys in the PD, one driver, one passenger, stick them in a 2 plain cars that have been impounded. Have one "crew" start in Solomons and drive north, the other at the AA county line and drive south. When they reach the other end of the county and turn around and start over. Passenger gets a decent digital camera to take "evidence" photos of the offending driver looking down, sideways etc for the court cases, make the stop, issue the fine and continue on.

    These guys would clean up in the revenue generating and surely nab some warrants and drug busts while they're at it. Biggest expense would be gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR47930 View Post
    Wouldn't even need that to start out. Take the 4 most junior guys in the PD, one driver, one passenger, stick them in a 2 plain cars that have been impounded. Have one "crew" start in Solomons and drive north, the other at the AA county line and drive south. When they reach the other end of the county and turn around and start over. Passenger gets a decent digital camera to take "evidence" photos of the offending driver looking down, sideways etc for the court cases, make the stop, issue the fine and continue on.

    These guys would clean up in the revenue generating and surely nab some warrants and drug busts while they're at it. Biggest expense would be gas.
    Yep, the key is to actually do it in some way or the other. But the system we have set up now is based on the old "speed kills" mantra from the 70s, when it was promulgated to ease acceptance of the 55mph national limit. That, combined with the fact that patrol officers are generally not fond of traffic enforcement as opposed to getting "real bad guys" and prefer speed enforcement over other kinds because it's more likely than other enforcement to let them find said "real bad guys". So, if they have to do traffic work they want to do speeding and checkpoints because that lets them get into more cars to sniff for drugs and such.

    Now, I really believe that the use of cell phones has become so endemic that they really could make just as many stops as they do with a laser/radar, but it seems we still just park them on the side of the road pointing that device. And the revenue thing really doesn't matter, and it shouldn't. Doing it for money is a Bad Idea, due to the competitive nature of humans and the natural greed of politicians, including elected law enforcement leadership.

    I know that Sheriff Evans is a bit more vocal about traffic than Sheriff Cameron, who pretty much stopped talking about it once he couldn't get his red light cameras. But he answers failure to yield crashes with speed enforcement, and so misses the chance to reduce crashes.
    "I aim to misbehave."

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