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    Gun control legislation is meaningless, says gun control advocate

    Quote Originally Posted by Leah Libresco
    I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

    When I looked at the other oft-praised policies, I found out that no gun owner walks into the store to buy an “assault weapon.” It’s an invented classification that includes any semi-automatic that has two or more features, such as a bayonet mount, a rocket-propelled grenade-launcher mount, a folding stock or a pistol grip. But guns are modular, and any hobbyist can easily add these features at home, just as if they were snapping together Legos…

    As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less clear that one broad gun-control restriction could make a big difference. Two-thirds of gun deaths in the United States every year are suicides. Almost no proposed restriction would make it meaningfully harder for people with guns on hand to use them. I couldn’t even answer my most desperate question: If I had a friend who had guns in his home and a history of suicide attempts, was there anything I could do that would help?

    You could, theoretically, cut down on all these deaths with a blanket removal of guns from the U.S. entirely — something that is as politically unlikely as it is legally untenable. Barring that, though, policies aimed at reducing gun deaths will likely need to be targeted at the specific people who commit or are victimized by those incidents. And mass shootings just aren’t a good proxy for the diversity of gun violence. Policies that reduce the number of homicides among young black men — such as programs that build trust between community members, police and at-risk youth and offer people a way out of crime — probably won’t have the same effect on suicides among elderly white men. Background checks and laws aimed at preventing a young white man with a history of domestic violence from obtaining a gun and using it in a mass shooting might not prevent a similar shooting by an older white male with no criminal record.
    The statistician, mining data to prove gun control works learned exactly the opposite is the truth.

    Like all liberal policies, their belief is diametrically opposed to reality. This one just learned it, and that's a good thing.
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    Stale as this may sound - we have to return to a society where killing anyone is as repugnant as torturing children. It's not for no reason that pedophiles don't last long even in *prison*.
    Some things are just repulsive to even the most hardened criminals.

    I'm not sure how that happens. Violent crime occurs all over the world, and even where guns are scarce, we have nations where crime is light and where crime is very high.
    “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.".Daniel Webster

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade View Post
    Stale as this may sound - we have to return to a society where killing anyone is as repugnant as torturing children. It's not for no reason that pedophiles don't last long even in *prison*.
    Some things are just repulsive to even the most hardened criminals.

    I'm not sure how that happens. Violent crime occurs all over the world, and even where guns are scarce, we have nations where crime is light and where crime is very high.
    In places like Chicago, I can't see the culture ever changing so much that shooting is no longer simply a routine response to so many things. It is deeply entrenched...permanent.
    "Cynicism is the smoke that rises from the ashes of burned out dreams."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    It is deeply entrenched...permanent.


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    We’re tempted to suggest a conspiracy here — but it’s just liberals agreeing yet again that conservatives have hidden, evil motives, because modern liberals simply can’t conceive of any other reason to disagree with the liberal consensus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GURPS View Post
    Inner City Gang Bangers ... gnags'ta rap videos



    ###### look at you in an ill perceived manner - bust a cap in his ass
    ###### disrespecting your 'HO - bust a cap in his ass
    ###### got a street corner you want - bust a cap in his ass
    It's even spilled over in to nature...the insect world even...

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    At least using these countries as data-sets makes sense given they are closed systems, unlike trying to cite individual cities (like Baltimore) the have strict gun control laws. I heard an analogy I liked that said something along the lines of "outlawing guns in Baltimore is like outlawing peeing in one corner of the pool".

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    Statement just issued from NRA makes it pretty clear that they view the banning of slide-fire stocks as an acceptable sacrificial lamb to get the leftards to shut up and go away again.
    "Cynicism is the smoke that rises from the ashes of burned out dreams."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Statement just issued from NRA makes it pretty clear that they view the banning of slide-fire stocks as an acceptable sacrificial lamb to get the leftards to shut up and go away again.
    But they won't shut up and go away. They'll just come back whining for more concessions.
    "In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." John Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    Statement just issued from NRA makes it pretty clear that they view the banning of slide-fire stocks as an acceptable sacrificial lamb to get the leftards to shut up and go away again.
    Thanks Wayne LaPierre, For once again folding like a cheap suit with our gun rights.
    One would think for 972,000 dollars a year you would actually make a better argument.
    The NRA will never get another thin dime from me.
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    I just reported you. You are one scary individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black dog View Post
    Thanks Wayne LaPierre, For once again folding like a cheap suit with our gun rights.
    One would think for 972,000 dollars a year you would actually make a better argument.
    The NRA will never get another thin dime from me.
    Actually, I think it is the right thing. Gun owners have their guns, and are comfortable with them, and are ready to use them, if needed. And, I will go so far as to say, that many Americans with guns would protect the ones that chose not to have guns; if push comes to shove. I think the NRA giving in to side-fire stocks is very smart. They are not needed in the scheme of things. I will pay the other half of your thin dime.
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