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    Quote Originally Posted by b23hqb View Post
    True dat. Same way in Costa Rica in some places. It's also an insult to not accept an offer for something to drink. That country is something else - perhaps the best, most stable economy in CA, with five star malls surrounded with barbed wire fences, guard towers manned by the police with M-4's, checkpoints getting in and out of the parking lot, while just across the creek you see cardboard and corrugated steel shanties dug into the mountain side that tend to wash away during rainy season. Complete sections of towns and seaside resorts that have nothing but villages, I guess, that have home owners from one country living in their little enclaves.
    When we were in the Dominican Republic we went to a rum and cigar factory to see how they hand roll cigars and distill the liquor. Bus pulled up to a 10ft tall concrete block fenced off building. 2 guys with camo opened a gate strapped with AK-47s. Made for an interesting visit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black dog View Post
    Gotta love Costa Rica, awesome offshore fishing and great people.
    I have though about retiring there.
    Yep, me too. And Honduras too...especially Roatan
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR47930 View Post
    When we were in the Dominican Republic we went to a rum and cigar factory to see how they hand roll cigars and distill the liquor.
    You can see people roll cigars in Ybor City and there are distilleries all over the US - without that AK business. What else ya got?

    My original rant was about how Hollyweirds and progbots (is that redundant?) rhapsodize about Cuba and the "worker's paradise" when chances are good they haven't even seen the real Cuba or interacted with real Cubans. They get set up to see the facade, not the underbelly. And then they come back from Disney Cuba to lecture us on how we should be more like a third world country, and how great Socialism is.

    See, I'm the traveler who wants to see the area and get to know it. Experience what life is like for the residents. Most travelers to exotic locations cocoon themselves in their resort, and only venture outside the gates to see pre-approved tourist attractions. Now, I don't really care where people vacation - do you, it's all good. But I don't think you can say you've "been" to a place when all you've really seen is the Disney version. Tourists always say, "Oh, I could live here!" because they don't know the reality of the country. The locals aren't laying on the beach with a cabana boy bringing them fruity cocktails; they're busting their ass trying to get tourists to pay them to braid their hair so they can feed their children.

    The US has awesome fishing and great people in pretty much every state. We also have running water and well appointed public toilets with toilet paper. And internet. So what's the attraction to a third world country? Just to say you've been there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    So what's the attraction to a third world country?
    That's where the business takes me...to third world countries all over the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    That's where the business takes me...to third world countries all over the planet.
    But would you voluntarily vacation there? If so, why?

    Also, do you stay in your compound or do you get out and mix it up with the locals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    Oh, and another thing that annoys me:

    Americans, please do not go to impoverished third world countries and haggle with the locals to save a couple of bucks. If the lady says the ankle bracelet is $5, pay the five and shut up. Haggling with her might save you a whole whopping dollar, which is nothing to you but is a lot of money to her. Imagine if you were selling something you made to try and scrape together money to feed your family, and Bill Gates came along and demanded a discount. That's how you look to Bahamians, Jamaicans, Mexicans, and Cubans.
    OR the opposite is true.. they see as all as Bill Gates and we can afford to pay $100 for a $5 piece of crap.

    When in Belize we stopped at a store and they had leather belts for sale, $149, I didn't haggle but before I walked out the door they were down to $19.. so you really believe he was going to LOSE money on a sale??
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    But would you voluntarily vacation there? If so, why?

    Also, do you stay in your compound or do you get out and mix it up with the locals?
    We went to Guatemala and unless you were signed up for a Cruise Excursion you weren't allowed out of the port area (basically an Army base protected by walls and guns).

    We went on an excursion to see the Mayan Ruins only to have our 20 year old bus break down (I think it was older but 20 is a good guess).. in the middle of Guatemala surrounded by people walking around with AKs strapped on their backs (COULD have been military or security, but they were all in civilian clothes).



    We were the LAST Cruise Ship to do a port of call in Guatemala due to the political corruption and crime, the cruise companies deemed it too unsafe.
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    When I was in Cuba, the exchange rate was great. 1 for a US dollar. Plus they had a ferry and a great exchange and commissary.
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  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    But would you voluntarily vacation there? If so, why?

    Also, do you stay in your compound or do you get out and mix it up with the locals?
    in many..most even..I'm working with local labor and maritime businesses, eating in local restaurants (calling a lot of places a restaurant is a real stretch) and staying in local hotels or rental apartments. It's the nature of our industry that the places we work are often far from the nice high rent areas.

    There are a few third world countries I've really enjoyed working in but generally speaking, my idea of vacationing involves little to no travel. When it's what you do for work, after 30 years of it..doing it as a vacation is far from your mind. For me...Norway is an exception to that.
    Last edited by Gilligan; 10-06-2017 at 12:39 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraiblonde View Post
    You can see people roll cigars in Ybor City and there are distilleries all over the US - without that AK business. What else ya got?

    My original rant was about how Hollyweirds and progbots (is that redundant?) rhapsodize about Cuba and the "worker's paradise" when chances are good they haven't even seen the real Cuba or interacted with real Cubans. They get set up to see the facade, not the underbelly. And then they come back from Disney Cuba to lecture us on how we should be more like a third world country, and how great Socialism is.

    See, I'm the traveler who wants to see the area and get to know it. Experience what life is like for the residents. Most travelers to exotic locations cocoon themselves in their resort, and only venture outside the gates to see pre-approved tourist attractions. Now, I don't really care where people vacation - do you, it's all good. But I don't think you can say you've "been" to a place when all you've really seen is the Disney version. Tourists always say, "Oh, I could live here!" because they don't know the reality of the country. The locals aren't laying on the beach with a cabana boy bringing them fruity cocktails; they're busting their ass trying to get tourists to pay them to braid their hair so they can feed their children.

    The US has awesome fishing and great people in pretty much every state. We also have running water and well appointed public toilets with toilet paper. And internet. So what's the attraction to a third world country? Just to say you've been there?
    Guess its just a personal preference. The only things I look for in a vacation are a good beach, nice room alcohol and food. Some all-inclusive places are cheaper to visit than getting a hotel and paying for food/drinks for a place here in the US. I'm not to interested in what the locals are doing (or not doing) with their time because every minute away from the resort is one more minute I could be drinking in a beach lounger.

    Sidenote: I have been interested in visiting the Gulf, recommend any places? You or Monello recommend any base lodging down there?

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