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    It makes sense to me. If the law is so arbitrary that the previous president could routinely exempt people for political reasons, it seems that this president should have the same authorities to exempt the rules as he sees fit.
    There are only two possibilities; one is that we are alone in the universe, the other is that we are not.
    Both are terrifying.

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Sapidus View Post
    This will guarantee people with preexisting conditions will have little or no choice as to how much they pay. Do you know that health care bills are the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in this county?

    Trump is in business for business interests in this country. This absolutely going to make make prices sky rocket with the illusion that you will be able to buy short term crappy insurance that isn't gonna do jack to save you money when the bill comes
    Let's say that you are correct (you're not, but let's pretend). For whom will the prices skyrocket? It won't be for the people getting lower quality insurance - that will be dirt cheap! Win. It won't be for the bulk of people on standard plans - it was cheaper (by leaps and bounds) before the ACA was passed, so it's likely to lower back if non-life-threatening items are no longer a requirement, and men don't have to take out insurance against their potential pregnancies. The elderly are mandated to be on Medicare.

    That leaves (you guessed it) pre-existing conditions - those with HUGE cost. They'll have to "pay their fair share". Meanwhile, the 85+% who were happier before can go back to being happier. And, people are no longer losing as much liberty (just a little, not more).

    Sounds like a win to me.

    But, if you can find in the Constitution where the federal government has the right to mandate purchasing a product for existing, I'll be glad to continue the conversation with you.
    There are only two possibilities; one is that we are alone in the universe, the other is that we are not.
    Both are terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
    Let's say that you are correct (you're not, but let's pretend). For whom will the prices skyrocket? It won't be for the people getting lower quality insurance - that will be dirt cheap! Win. It won't be for the bulk of people on standard plans - it was cheaper (by leaps and bounds) before the ACA was passed, so it's likely to lower back if non-life-threatening items are no longer a requirement, and men don't have to take out insurance against their potential pregnancies. The elderly are mandated to be on Medicare.

    That leaves (you guessed it) pre-existing conditions - those with HUGE cost. They'll have to "pay their fair share". Meanwhile, the 85+% who were happier before can go back to being happier. And, people are no longer losing as much liberty (just a little, not more).

    Sounds like a win to me.

    But, if you can find in the Constitution where the federal government has the right to mandate purchasing a product for existing, I'll be glad to continue the conversation with you.
    You should do some research before you flap your gums. I also think most people who voted for Trump didnít realize they would be the ones most effected.


    Itís not only preexisting conditions.

    This disproportionally will effect the poor and middle class.

    But I forgot your party only cares about the rich


    ďRates already were rising in the immediate aftermath of Trumpís decision. Insurance regulators in Arkansas, another state that went for Trump, approved premium increases on Friday ranging from 14 percent to nearly 25 percent for plans offered through the insurance marketplace. Had federal cost-sharing been retained, the premiums would have risen by no more than 10 percent.

    In Mississippi, another state Trump won, an estimated 80 percent of consumers who buy coverage on the insurance exchange benefit from the deductible and co-pay discounts, the highest percentage of any state. Premiums there will increase by 47 percent next year, after regulators assumed Trump would end the cost-sharing payments.Ē

    https://apnews.com/cd3fb39ebc2d47a8a...&utm_medium=AP
    Last edited by Sapidus; 10-15-2017 at 01:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapidus View Post
    You should do some research before you flap your gums. I also think most people who voted for Trump didn’t realize they would be the ones most effected.


    It’s not only preexisting conditions.

    This disproportionally will effect the poor and middle class.

    But I forgot your party only cares about the rich


    “Rates already were rising in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s decision. Insurance regulators in Arkansas, another state that went for Trump, approved premium increases on Friday ranging from 14 percent to nearly 25 percent for plans offered through the insurance marketplace. Had federal cost-sharing been retained, the premiums would have risen by no more than 10 percent.

    In Mississippi, another state Trump won, an estimated 80 percent of consumers who buy coverage on the insurance exchange benefit from the deductible and co-pay discounts, the highest percentage of any state. Premiums there will increase by 47 percent next year, after regulators assumed Trump would end the cost-sharing payments.”

    https://apnews.com/cd3fb39ebc2d47a8a...&utm_medium=AP
    To my knowledge there has never been any appropriations approved for those "cost-sharing payments". Unless appropriated by Congress any continuation of payments would be a continuation of illegal activity by the executive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapidus View Post
    This will guarantee people with preexisting conditions will have little or no choice as to how much they pay. Do you know that health care bills are the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in this county?

    Trump is in business for business interests in this country. This absolutely going to make make prices sky rocket with the illusion that you will be able to buy short term crappy insurance that isn't gonna do jack to save you money when the bill comes
    If this is the case, maybe we should address why the hell medical care costs so much to begin with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by terbear1225 View Post
    If this is the case, maybe we should address why the hell medical care costs so much to begin with?
    Thatís a great idea but we also need to face the reality that what Trump Is doing is going to harm a Lot of people not only financially but possibly result in deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken King View Post
    To my knowledge there has never been any appropriations approved for those "cost-sharing payments". Unless appropriated by Congress any continuation of payments would be a continuation of illegal activity by the executive.

    House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) today issued the following statement regarding the Trump administrationís determination that certain payments under Obamacare have no valid appropriation: ďUnder our Constitution, the power of the purse belongs to Congress, not the executive branch. It was in defense of this foundational principle that the House, under the leadership of former speaker John Boehner, voted in 2014 to challenge the constitutionality of spending by the Obama administration that was never approved by Congress. The House was validated last year when a federal court ruled that the Obama administration had indeed been making unauthorized and therefore illegal payments through Obamacare. Todayís decision by the Trump administration to end the appeal of that ruling preserves a monumental affirmation of Congressís authority and the separation of powers. Obamacare has proven itself to be a fatally flawed law, and the House will continue to work with Trump administration to provide the American people a better system.Ē
    http://www.speaker.gov/press-release...acare-payments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapidus View Post
    That’s a great idea but we also need to face the reality that what Trump Is doing is going to harm a Lot of people not only financially but possibly result in deaths.
    Your accusations are a complete farce. Better go back and re-read this EO, and stop regurgitating the progbot talking points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terbear1225 View Post
    If this is the case, maybe we should address why the hell medical care costs so much to begin with?
    IMO it's too high because of lawyers wanting to get rich off law suits and Government regulations./

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    Quote Originally Posted by terbear1225 View Post
    If this is the case, maybe we should address why the hell medical care costs so much to begin with?
    We chose the cheapest plan after hub retired early due to a total meltdown of the company he worked for; kind of like our gov. We are both healthy at the moment, so chose just catastrophic with lowest premium. No doc in our area takes Kaiser Permanente. So, we will lose our docs, and the closest docs that they assigned us are in Kensington; no choice there. We live in Olney, now. We are waiting to see how Trump's EO might change the insurance dilemma. We received a notice that new enrollment is next month. Sorry, but this health insurance thing has turned into a crock of poop. What really makes me mad is the Americans that, actually worked their butts off all their lives, are the ones being screwed.
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