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    Solar Systems likely to become more expensive

    FYI for anyone looking into solar.

    You may or may not know the International Trade Commission recommended tariffs on imported solar panels. The recommendations from the ITC will be on Trump's desk by 11/13/17 where Trump will likely give approval.

    https://www.usitc.gov/press_room/new...r0922ll832.htm

    The 2 companies who brought the issue to the ITC requested a $0.40 per watt duty on imported cells and a $0.78 per watt floor price for imported modules. This is going to cause material costs to go up, increasing overall job costs and payback periods.
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    That's a pretty large tariff!....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan View Post
    That's a pretty large tariff!....
    So real quick, how much do you think that would increase the cost the average person installing for just, say water heaters or pool systems? I have no idea. You seem to be pretty up to date on this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b23hqb View Post
    So real quick, how much do you think that would increase the cost the average person installing for just, say water heaters or pool systems? I have no idea. You seem to be pretty up to date on this stuff.
    If I was to replace the 4 panels on my sailboat it would be a additional $480.00 plus tax ...
    That will be a incentive to build them here..
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    I just reported you. You are one scary individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b23hqb View Post
    So real quick, how much do you think that would increase the cost the average person installing for just, say water heaters or pool systems? I have no idea. You seem to be pretty up to date on this stuff.
    Consider a high-end panel is ~300 watts and about $240 each panel.

    300w x $0.40 = $120
    300w x $0.78 = $234

    That $240 panel would be $594.

    Now multiply that one panel by, let's say, 50 panels and your panel cost goes from $12,000 to $29,700.

    In general, panel cost would double.
    Last edited by Chris0nllyn; 10-16-2017 at 04:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by black dog View Post
    If I was to replace the 4 panels on my sailboat it would be a additional $480.00 plus tax ...
    That will be a incentive to build them here..
    It's an incentive not to buy solar. Solar installations have exploded because of cheap panels and the solar industry employed over 260,000 people last year.

    It's a horrible idea and I hope it's not signed.

    The petition was brought on by Suniva, who filed for bankruptcy then petitioned the ITC 9 days later. SolarWorld supported the petition and the idea that cheap panels are affecting American companies. What's funny is that Suniva and SolarWorld are foreign owned. Suniva is 63% Chinese-owned, manufacturing a ton overseas, while SolarWorld is owned by a German company.
    Last edited by Chris0nllyn; 10-16-2017 at 04:47 PM.
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    Solar Systems more expensive! Here I thought that the price of a Milky Way was going up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn View Post
    It's an incentive not to buy solar. Solar installations have exploded because of cheap panels and the solar industry employed over 260,000 people last year.

    It's a horrible idea and I hope it's not signed.

    The petition was brought on by Suniva, who filed for bankruptcy then petitioned the ITC 9 days later. SolarWorld supported the petition and the idea that cheap panels are affecting American companies. What's funny is that Suniva and SolarWorld are foreign owned. Suniva is 63% Chinese-owned, manufacturing a ton overseas, while SolarWorld is owned by a German company.
    I also have a prop driven alternator on the boat that does very well, but with it you get woop woop woop sound that never stops..
    I can easily produce more than I will ever use, but solar is the easiest and the most problem free for me..
    If for some reason one of the four 300w panels got damaged, I definitely would replace it, even if the cost doubled..
    I would like to see better battery life spans at a more reasonable cost..
    I still use lead acid for boat ( house ) storage, Four golf cart 6 volts.. and a single 12v for the diesel.
    Originally Posted by littlelady View Post
    I just reported you. You are one scary individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black dog View Post
    I also have a prop driven alternator on the boat that does very well, but with it you get woop woop woop sound that never stops..
    I can easily produce more than I will ever use, but solar is the easiest and the most problem free for me..
    If for some reason one of the four 300w panels got damaged, I definitely would replace it, even if the cost doubled..
    I would like to see better battery life spans at a more reasonable cost..
    I still use lead acid for boat ( house ) storage, Four golf cart 6 volts.. and a single 12v for the diesel.
    For these sort of small systems, sure, it's not a deal breaker, but I'm working on a 70kW array for a client. That would be about $180,000 installed and could likely jump to $360,000 if the requested tariffs are approved. These large systems will be affected, especially these large solar farms.
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    This complete import tariff is in addition to the tariff that was already imposed against cells specifically from China. And it wasn't an American company, political group, or politician that pushed for these tariffs. It was a Chinese company with a factory in the US that went bankrupt and repeatedly petitioned the ITU for these tariffs, with support from a German company following the same business model.

    So the answer is that other companies will now have to follow their model, import the materials from China but build the cells and modules in the US. It will be more expensive (otherwise these companies wouldn't have had trouble competing to begin with), but not $0.40 per watt more expensive.

    Or you can do what people have been doing for the last couple of years since the Chinese tariffs went into play, buy your panels from a distributer in Mexico or Canada and have them shipped to the US. You're not importing for resale, so you aren't subject to the tariffs. And it's on your honor system to pay any applicable "use tax" from your state.

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